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I actually thought the Cameron stuff, and the Third Power British Dream sounded best (middle video).
Not to take anything away from the excellent job done here James. Obviosly there are differences, but as you say when you get to a certain level they all sound great, I'm hearing much more difference in the different fingers. The other thing worth mentioning is that it's hard to translate how each amp "feels" in these comparisons.James Lugo":2b29nmwl said:Man I must be crazy or overly sensitive from producing for so long but I here big differences. Between similar amp archetypes the difference can be minimal like the Friedman's, or some of Cameron's mods but over all the Uber doesn't resemble anything. The stock 800 sounds and reacted to playing completely different then say the CCV's or Diezel. The 3rd Power stuff was less compressed then most of the amps and breathed more, I could see it in the wav forms too. Another thought is when you get to this level most everything sounds really good at what it does so differences can appear slight because of that but if you're going for the ultimate sound it's always a game of inches. If you get enough of those little improvements over the course of a full song you end up with a big difference. I know that to be true for me regarding audio. Great mic pres can seem like only slightly better then average pres, same with mics, eqs and compressors but when you chain all of them together the slightly better of everything becomes way better. I know that to be true from massive experience.
Possibly it is because James and Crew can mic a shit stain to sound greatsupersonic":2ocnn5xw said:Not to take anything away from the excellent job done here James. Obviosly there are differences, but as you say when you get to a certain level they all sound great, I'm hearing much more difference in the different fingers. The other thing worth mentioning is that it's hard to translate how each amp "feels" in these comparisons.James Lugo":2ocnn5xw said:Man I must be crazy or overly sensitive from producing for so long but I here big differences. Between similar amp archetypes the difference can be minimal like the Friedman's, or some of Cameron's mods but over all the Uber doesn't resemble anything. The stock 800 sounds and reacted to playing completely different then say the CCV's or Diezel. The 3rd Power stuff was less compressed then most of the amps and breathed more, I could see it in the wav forms too. Another thought is when you get to this level most everything sounds really good at what it does so differences can appear slight because of that but if you're going for the ultimate sound it's always a game of inches. If you get enough of those little improvements over the course of a full song you end up with a big difference. I know that to be true for me regarding audio. Great mic pres can seem like only slightly better then average pres, same with mics, eqs and compressors but when you chain all of them together the slightly better of everything becomes way better. I know that to be true from massive experience.
glip22":w1w8k43c said:Possibly it is because James and Crew can mic a shit stain to sound greatsupersonic":w1w8k43c said:Not to take anything away from the excellent job done here James. Obviosly there are differences, but as you say when you get to a certain level they all sound great, I'm hearing much more difference in the different fingers. The other thing worth mentioning is that it's hard to translate how each amp "feels" in these comparisons.James Lugo":w1w8k43c said:Man I must be crazy or overly sensitive from producing for so long but I here big differences. Between similar amp archetypes the difference can be minimal like the Friedman's, or some of Cameron's mods but over all the Uber doesn't resemble anything. The stock 800 sounds and reacted to playing completely different then say the CCV's or Diezel. The 3rd Power stuff was less compressed then most of the amps and breathed more, I could see it in the wav forms too. Another thought is when you get to this level most everything sounds really good at what it does so differences can appear slight because of that but if you're going for the ultimate sound it's always a game of inches. If you get enough of those little improvements over the course of a full song you end up with a big difference. I know that to be true for me regarding audio. Great mic pres can seem like only slightly better then average pres, same with mics, eqs and compressors but when you chain all of them together the slightly better of everything becomes way better. I know that to be true from massive experience.![]()
supersonic":19m23feb said:There are only subtle differences here, it re enforces that tone is in the fingers.
Agreed. I guess my whole point is based around this argument. Maybe some extra notes would help, note musical notes but players notes on how the amp feels under their fingers.glassjaw7":rxlaxk2n said:supersonic":rxlaxk2n said:There are only subtle differences here, it re enforces that tone is in the fingers.
To a point, but a lot of tone is in gear too. There was a lot of other consistent factors here like speakers and recording chain which made everything have a similar tone. I know what you mean though. The reamping made everything sound pretty consistent too. I think the biggest differences in gear is how it feels and what it makes you want to play.
mapat":yslz0vay said:I just wanted to say thank you for all the hard work putting everything together!
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supersonic":2c02rtp5 said:Agreed. I guess my whole point is based around this argument. Maybe some extra notes would help, note musical notes but players notes on how the amp feels under their fingers.glassjaw7":2c02rtp5 said:supersonic":2c02rtp5 said:There are only subtle differences here, it re enforces that tone is in the fingers.
To a point, but a lot of tone is in gear too. There was a lot of other consistent factors here like speakers and recording chain which made everything have a similar tone. I know what you mean though. The reamping made everything sound pretty consistent too. I think the biggest differences in gear is how it feels and what it makes you want to play.
ejecta":3urwavbt said:LP Freak":3urwavbt said:That's a better than average sounding 800. I've owned many and it's too bad they don't all sound like that.ejecta":3urwavbt said:James Lugo":3urwavbt said:ejecta":3urwavbt said:My favorite was the stock JCM800.![]()
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You are not alone. I can't tell how many have told me that. You can really hear it breathing on Bruce's solo and Todd's main riff. That sucker arrived the day before, I didn't even have any time to dial her it. Plug and play. I've been using it this week in low gain input in conjunction with my Fender Super Reverb on a country record. Incredible. The sound jumps off the speakers.
That amp definitely records very well. I've owned pretty much a version of all those amps in your video and I'm sitting here thinking what a waste of money... I could have just bought a JCM800.
That said the Reinhardt Storm I owned reminded me a lot of a good JCM800. Should have never sold that.
Thanks for posting BTW... that was a TON of work.![]()
I'm sure you are right my friend.... that's why I should have kept that Reinhardt. My second fovirites were the Friedman's. The one we swapped back and forth was nice. Oddly enough I'm still enjoying the EVH.
ejecta":2fuhc1mr said:My favorite was the stock JCM800.![]()
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Hey Kelly! Good to hear you still have the VHT. Cool amps for sure.Kelly":2dt9kb9p said:There are more amps on the sound files, including the Deliverance you sold me years ago.Greazygeo":2dt9kb9p said:Thanks for doing this.
Listened to the high gain stuff so far. They all pretty much sound the same to me listening in my studio. Close enough that with a little eq-ing could get the same tone from them all. Differences I heard were mainly in the low end, some were looser and some tighter, and some had more "hair" to the tone. Otherwise very similar. Feel-wise there would be a difference.
I only made it thru a couple sec's of the Ola stuff….not my thing at all. Still need to make it thru the Classic stuff this weekend when I get some time.
https://jameslugo.wetransfer.com/downlo ... 550/5ff1bc
Greazygeo":1giyw3ur said:Hey Kelly! Good to hear you still have the VHT. Cool amps for sure.Kelly":1giyw3ur said:There are more amps on the sound files, including the Deliverance you sold me years ago.Greazygeo":1giyw3ur said:Thanks for doing this.
Listened to the high gain stuff so far. They all pretty much sound the same to me listening in my studio. Close enough that with a little eq-ing could get the same tone from them all. Differences I heard were mainly in the low end, some were looser and some tighter, and some had more "hair" to the tone. Otherwise very similar. Feel-wise there would be a difference.
I only made it thru a couple sec's of the Ola stuff….not my thing at all. Still need to make it thru the Classic stuff this weekend when I get some time.
https://jameslugo.wetransfer.com/downlo ... 550/5ff1bc
I did listen thru the clips before I watched the video. All those amps just sound very similar to me. Not saying they are the same at all, but in the clips there just isn't that much of a difference other than looseness/ tightness in the low end along with some having more hair to the tone. Other differences sounded like a small eq adjustment here and there would fix those. Can't help what I hear.
The first shootout done a few years ago, seemed like the amps had more distinction between them.
gtr31":16xiw5g3 said:Greazygeo":16xiw5g3 said:Hey Kelly! Good to hear you still have the VHT. Cool amps for sure.Kelly":16xiw5g3 said:There are more amps on the sound files, including the Deliverance you sold me years ago.Greazygeo":16xiw5g3 said:Thanks for doing this.
Listened to the high gain stuff so far. They all pretty much sound the same to me listening in my studio. Close enough that with a little eq-ing could get the same tone from them all. Differences I heard were mainly in the low end, some were looser and some tighter, and some had more "hair" to the tone. Otherwise very similar. Feel-wise there would be a difference.
I only made it thru a couple sec's of the Ola stuff….not my thing at all. Still need to make it thru the Classic stuff this weekend when I get some time.
https://jameslugo.wetransfer.com/downlo ... 550/5ff1bc
I did listen thru the clips before I watched the video. All those amps just sound very similar to me. Not saying they are the same at all, but in the clips there just isn't that much of a difference other than looseness/ tightness in the low end along with some having more hair to the tone. Other differences sounded like a small eq adjustment here and there would fix those. Can't help what I hear.
The first shootout done a few years ago, seemed like the amps had more distinction between them.
I think one of the funniest comments i heard recently and true was Reinhold at the La amp show ,He was basically talking about the new Helios and the BE ,Suhr and all the Modded Marshalls.
He said differences at lower volume were slight ,as you mentioned a lil looser lil tighter .but once you got them all cranked to stage volume ,it was all the same damn amp .lol