Warehouse V30 - as good as advertised?

[marvcus]

think I'm about to pull the trigger on one of these for a 1x12 cab. I am hoping it has a softer midrange "hump" than the Celestion version as stated.

Any other similar speakers I should check out beforehand?

Thanks!!

 

[troublehead]

The Veteran 30 is definately "softer". When I first started using the Vet 30's, I thought they were the greatest thing ever. I used them for quite some time in 2x12 cabs. Then one day I decided to directly A/B them with a pair of well worn Vintage 30's. Thats when I realized the Vintage 30's are the better speaker.........IMO of course. They are quite different from the Celestions and sometimes the initial difference causes a WOW response, but in the end the Celestions win out tonally for me. That goes for Vintage 30's, G12H30's, and Greenbacks. The Celestions have much better attack and clarity and work best from medium up to high gain. The WGS counterparts are "softer" and pretty flat across the EQ curve when compared to the Celestions. The flatter response makes them more compressed sounding to my ears. This works great for clean and low gain sounds, but not the best for gainy stuff. All of this is just my opinion. But I have tried just about every WGS there is and end up feeling the same about each one.

I do however use an ET-65 in a 1x12 cab just because I'm not forking over the $$$ for a 12-65 Reissue

 

[PeteLaramee]

The Veteran 30 is definately "softer". When I first started using the Vet 30's, I thought they were the greatest thing ever. I used them for quite some time in 2x12 cabs. Then one day I decided to directly A/B them with a pair of well worn Vintage 30's. Thats when I realized the Vintage 30's are the better speaker.........IMO of course. They are quite different from the Celestions and sometimes the initial difference causes a WOW response, but in the end the Celestions win out tonally for me. That goes for Vintage 30's, G12H30's, and Greenbacks. The Celestions have much better attack and clarity and work best from medium up to high gain. The WGS counterparts are "softer" and pretty flat across the EQ curve when compared to the Celestions. The flatter response makes them more compressed sounding to my ears. This works great for clean and low gain sounds, but not the best for gainy stuff. All of this is just my opinion. But I have tried just about every WGS there is and end up feeling the same about each one.

I do however use an ET-65 in a 1x12 cab just because I'm not forking over the $$$ for a 12-65 Reissue

I pretty much agree with this, but my low B is tighter with the Vet 30s. Now I'm using the Retro 30s which makes that mid hump even less noticeable, makes the lows even tighter, makes it more articulate and aggressive, and brings back some of the highs (w/out any shrill) the Vet 30s lacked. It's kind of the best of both the Vet30 and Vin30.

....all IMHO of course.

 

[thegame]

I've tried WGS speakers only 1 time, a Vet30 and ET65 and they were most definitely softer than the Celestions. That was enough to make me stay clear of WGS permanently.

 

[mincy]

The Veteran 30 is definately "softer". When I first started using the Vet 30's, I thought they were the greatest thing ever. I used them for quite some time in 2x12 cabs. Then one day I decided to directly A/B them with a pair of well worn Vintage 30's. Thats when I realized the Vintage 30's are the better speaker.........IMO of course. They are quite different from the Celestions and sometimes the initial difference causes a WOW response, but in the end the Celestions win out tonally for me. That goes for Vintage 30's, G12H30's, and Greenbacks. The Celestions have much better attack and clarity and work best from medium up to high gain. The WGS counterparts are "softer" and pretty flat across the EQ curve when compared to the Celestions. The flatter response makes them more compressed sounding to my ears. This works great for clean and low gain sounds, but not the best for gainy stuff. All of this is just my opinion. But I have tried just about every WGS there is and end up feeling the same about each one.

This is dead on. I switched to Vet30s 6-9 months ago because I was unhappy with some of the characteristics of V30s and I just threw V30s back into one of my cabs last week and I was shocked at the difference. The V30s do have that hump and can get that spikey midrange thing going on that some people hate, but man do they cut through. I ran a 2x12 with V30s along side a 4x12 loaded with all Vet30s and the V30s dominated, and it wasn't a db response or volume issue. They tore right through the Vet30s. I was seriously blown away. I also agree completely with the vets being softer and more compressed and better suited for low gain and clean and the V30s for the mid-high gain. The Vets are damn nice speakers, but I'm starting to wonder why I ever switched to them.

 

[thegame]

This is dead on. I switched to Vet30s 6-9 months ago because I was unhappy with some of the characteristics of V30s and I just threw V30s back into one of my cabs last week and I was shocked at the difference. The V30s do have that hump and can get that spikey midrange thing going on that some people hate, but man do they cut through. I ran a 2x12 with V30s along side a 4x12 loaded with all Vet30s and the V30s dominated, and it wasn't a db response or volume issue. They tore right through the Vet30s. I was seriously blown away. I also agree completely with the vets being softer and more compressed and better suited for low gain and clean and the V30s for the mid-high gain. The Vets are damn nice speakers, but I'm starting to wonder why I ever switched to them.

Man, when I tried your Mills I loved it, but there was still something a little off I thought, which I did not say in person. A certain softness to the attack, which is the opposite of what all other Celestion equipped Mills owners report. Now I know why.

 

[blackba]

I have tried the Vet 30 once and was pretty impressed. I think WGS went for more of a broken in Vintage 30 sound new out of the box, but maybe went a bit too far. I still prefer the Vintage 30, but I would be fine with a Vet30.

I recently got a pair of WGS ET-65's and am really liking them. They are smooth and not harsh at all. Very nice with my Marshall 2553. I like the ET-65's better than the 1 Weber 1265 I had. Never tried the Celestion version unfortunately.

The basket of the the WGS speakers seems to be a little thinner gauge metal, giving me the impression that they are not built as well as Celestions.

 

[Crunch Master]

I just installed a set of Avatar Hellatone 60L speakers in my 2x12, and they are by far the best speakers I've ever played through for me, and I've played through almost everything out there.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Funny how everyone complained about the mid spike of the Celestion V30 and how the Warehouse 30 solved that problem. Now the Warehouse 30 is too soft sounding. Does anyone else think that from a speaker that smooth is similiar to soft?

 

[marvcus]

I'm now reconsidering. Less midrange spike is preferable, but the last thing I want is more compression. I am looking for something to deliver good mid-gain and higher gain tones. The Classic 80 I have is a nice speaker but not the best for Plexi-type tones, IMO.

Thanks so much and keep 'em coming!

 

[troublehead]

Funny how everyone complained about the mid spike of the Celestion V30 and how the Warehouse 30 solved that problem. Now the Warehouse 30 is too soft sounding. Does anyone else think that from a speaker that smooth is similiar to soft?

I agree to some extent.......depends on the application. However, IMO the WGS went overboard in the "soft" department. For instance, I have a pair of 20 year old Greenbacks that I would consider EXTREMELY smooth. However, they still have that edge under high gain that allows for clarity of pick attack. Palm mutes for example sound more defined and "chunky" with the Celestions. The WGS come off as more of a "thud" sound. The best example of this would be the WGS British Lead. I know we are talking Veteran 30's here, but the BL80 is a terrible, flat, compressed speaker to my ears. But that same underlying flat/compressed sound exists to some degree in all the WGS speakers I have tried. Like I said, sounds cool at first just because they are so different...........but not so cool when you go back to speakers with more of an edge to the sound.

I would suggest putting a Veteran 30 and a Vintage 30 side by side in a 2x12 and then cover each side independently with a pillow. I did this in an Orange 2x12 and it immediately put an end to the questions I had. I still think the WGS speakers sound great in vintage amps though.

 

[troublehead]

I'm now reconsidering. Less midrange spike is preferable, but the last thing I want is more compression. I am looking for something to deliver good mid-gain and higher gain tones. The Classic 80 I have is a nice speaker but not the best for Plexi-type tones, IMO.

Thanks so much and keep 'em coming!

The one application I would not use a Vintage 30 in is a 1x12 cab............unless the cab is ported like the Bogner Shiva 1x12. The mid spike is even more pronounced and leads to a boxy sound. Matter of fact, I don't even like them in smaller 2x12's, but they sound great in oversized 2x12's and 4x12's.

What amp are you using, watts ? The Weber Silver Bell is a killer speaker for plexi tones and can be had in higher wattages.

 

[blackba]

I'm now reconsidering. Less midrange spike is preferable, but the last thing I want is more compression. I am looking for something to deliver good mid-gain and higher gain tones. The Classic 80 I have is a nice speaker but not the best for Plexi-type tones, IMO.

Thanks so much and keep 'em coming!

The one application I would not use a Vintage 30 in is a 1x12 cab............unless the cab is ported like the Bogner Shiva 1x12. The mid spike is even more pronounced and leads to a boxy sound. Matter of fact, I don't even like them in smaller 2x12's, but they sound great in oversized 2x12's and 4x12's.

What amp are you using, watts ? The Weber Silver Bell is a killer speaker for plexi tones and can be had in higher wattages.

I actually have a vintage 30 in a 112 closed back cab (copy of a mesa recto 112). I generally run it with another 112 that has a CL80. By itself with some amps the Vintage 30 in the 112 can be a bit too much. It can take your head off in some cases. I will say the Vintage 30 has sounded much better in the 112 as it has broken in, not as dangerous anymore

 

[mincy]

Man, when I tried your Mills I loved it, but there was still something a little off I thought, which I did not say in person. A certain softness to the attack, which is the opposite of what all other Celestion equipped Mills owners report. Now I know why.

Don't get me wrong, I still like the WGS stuff, but it's looking like I'm going to have to drop the $$$ on the real deal from now on. Tone chasing just sucks some days.

 

[thegame]

Don't get me wrong, I still like the WGS stuff, but it's looking like I'm going to have to drop the $$$ on the real deal from now on. Tone chasing just sucks some days.

What do you have in the Afterburner now ?

 

[mincy]

What do you have in the Afterburner now ?

Right now, it's 4 WGS Reaper HPs. I wanted H30s, but with the Herbert, I was concerned about wattage and I didn't feeling like dropping $180 a piece on Scumbacks, so I went WGS. Not sure what I'm going to do, but I am happy with the Reapers at the moment. I will say I'm keeping my eye out for a quad of G12-65s though.

 

[thegame]

What do you have in the Afterburner now ?

Right now, it's 4 WGS Reaper HPs. I wanted H30s, but with the Herbert, I was concerned about wattage and I didn't feeling like dropping $180 a piece on Scumbacks, so I went WGS. Not sure what I'm going to do, but I am happy with the Reapers at the moment. I will say I'm keeping my eye out for a quad of G12-65s though.

It may be too much of a hassle, but you are welcome to come over here with your Mills and we could pop in my quad of Heritage G12-65s so you could try before you buy. I'm not selling mine, but all 4 are in my Bogner so we could unsolder just a couple wires and lift the whole array into your cab.

 

[thiswaythatway]

I have tried the Vet 30 once and was pretty impressed. I think WGS went for more of a broken in Vintage 30 sound new out of the box, but maybe went a bit too far. I still prefer the Vintage 30, but I would be fine with a Vet30.

I recently got a pair of WGS ET-65's and am really liking them. They are smooth and not harsh at all. Very nice with my Marshall 2553. I like the ET-65's better than the 1 Weber 1265 I had. Never tried the Celestion version unfortunately.

The basket of the the WGS speakers seems to be a little thinner gauge metal, giving me the impression that they are not built as well as Celestions.

DO you feel that the ET-65's are a bit boomy? I have 2 in my Bogner 2x12 OS cab and damm, i was making a clip last night and i had to lower my bass and depth on my Fortin BIGTIME. I was using a Les Paul as well though.

 

[blackba]

I have tried the Vet 30 once and was pretty impressed. I think WGS went for more of a broken in Vintage 30 sound new out of the box, but maybe went a bit too far. I still prefer the Vintage 30, but I would be fine with a Vet30.

I recently got a pair of WGS ET-65's and am really liking them. They are smooth and not harsh at all. Very nice with my Marshall 2553. I like the ET-65's better than the 1 Weber 1265 I had. Never tried the Celestion version unfortunately.

The basket of the the WGS speakers seems to be a little thinner gauge metal, giving me the impression that they are not built as well as Celestions.

DO you feel that the ET-65's are a bit boomy? I have 2 in my Bogner 2x12 OS cab and damm, i was making a clip last night and i had to lower my bass and depth on my Fortin BIGTIME. I was using a Les Paul as well though.

The ET-65's are not boomy in my Marshall 1936 copy 212 cab. I think your Bogner is a larger cab than the Marshall copy I have and so maybe the ET-65's are not a good match for that cab. I thought Thump put ET-65's in his Bogner 212 and raved about them.

I doubt too my marshall 2553 and mark IV are as bass heavy as your Fortin. Plus I have been using my strats pretty much since I got these speakers, as I had a medical 10lb weight restriction (my LPs are over 10lbs). I will get out my LP soon and see if I notice a boomy bass. The ET-65's don't seem to have as much bass as the CL80's I had in the cab before...

 

[mincy]

It may be too much of a hassle, but you are welcome to come over here with your Mills and we could pop in my quad of Heritage G12-65s so you could try before you buy. I'm not selling mine, but all 4 are in my Bogner so we could unsolder just a couple wires and lift the whole array into your cab.

That is one tempting as hell offer. I'd love to hear that. I'll have to get back to you when I have some time in my schedule.