We should all have neighbors like this

[Phishphood]

I'm gonna go HC on that front, man that place is retarded. All you have to do is post "murder/suicide/gape/a2m" and you get fellated by all those dudes as they simultaneously chant "T3H BrOOTALZ" and scream you are the coolest thing since the Bugera line came out.

Actually HC had a rational, intelligent debate about guns while everyone here was busy gape/a2m-ing nosebleed

 

[White_Van]

I'm gonna go HC on that front, man that place is retarded. All you have to do is post "murder/suicide/gape/a2m" and you get fellated by all those dudes as they simultaneously chant "T3H BrOOTALZ" and scream you are the coolest thing since the Bugera line came out.

Actually HC had a rational, intelligent debate about guns while everyone here was busy gape/a2m-ing nosebleed

Hmm, I missed that.

Must have been a very few people in on that thread, because I find most of the people there slightly to highly sophomoric.

 

[Juggernaut]

Well you said you didn't have a problem with their deaths, but a problem with the method of their deaths. So you support them dying, but not Joe Horn?

Thought you were talking about the death penalty...

And while you started going in the general direction of my point, you veered way off into Failsville. Is death an appropriate punishment for breaking and entering? No, not at all, which is why no one will get capital punishment for it. But when you break into someones house, in Texas of all places, its the risk you take. I can feel for their families, and if I knew something about their lives there's the possibility that I could sympathize with the conditions that lead to this event (to a certain degree), but its really hard to take pity on them when they knowingly violated the law and knowingly put their lives at risk for quick cash

I'm not gonna argue costs.... cause like everything else, the government would spend it on something even more trivial than the death penalty. Honestly, I dont know, facts from both sides are thrown around, and who knows who's telling the truth.......

As far as the Death Penalty, I'm sorry, some people do not deserve to live in this world, and when they decide to deprive someone else of the right to live (in the act of a crime), they give up their own. period.

my opinion, take it or leave it, sorry.

I agree, costs aren't the main issue at heart here, and while I may not agree I'm going to leave it at that because that's a different discussion entirely which I feel no need to go into

People were arguing costs though, and I did feel the need to correct them

Fair enough, this is WHY I dont like Death Penalty, Religious, etc.. discussions, cause everybody has their "facts" and I honestly dont know who to trust for those kinds of things, cause it's all skewed to one point of view or another....

FWIW, I know 2 people who were served the Death Penalty, people I grew up with, and as much as I hate to say it, they deserved it. They decided they were God to some extent and took peoples lives, so they were put to death. I think it was fair.

 

[Phishphood]

I'm gonna go HC on that front, man that place is retarded. All you have to do is post "murder/suicide/gape/a2m" and you get fellated by all those dudes as they simultaneously chant "T3H BrOOTALZ" and scream you are the coolest thing since the Bugera line came out.

Actually HC had a rational, intelligent debate about guns while everyone here was busy gape/a2m-ing nosebleed

Hmm, I missed that.

Must have been a very few people in on that thread, because I find most of the people there slightly to highly sophomoric.

No it was pretty long actually, I was amazed at how civil it stayed and how people actually found common ground and settled on ideas

 

[gravfed]

Makes me feel a little better (probably not a good thing) about becoming a full-time Texan soon.....

 

[Phishphood]

Fair enough, this is WHY I dont like Death Penalty, Religious, etc.. discussions, cause everybody has their "facts" and I honestly dont know who to trust for those kinds of things, cause it's all skewed to one point of view or another....

FWIW, I know 2 people who were served the Death Penalty, people I grew up with, and as much as I hate to say it, they deserved it. They decided they were God to some extent and took peoples lives, so they were put to death. I think it was fair.

Its not always simple as that unfortunately. Is it fair that someone is shown the same disregard for life that they showed others? I think a lot of people would say yes, I would. But the real question is not is it fair to the criminals (although that is a major part), but is sentencing someone to death worth all the moral, social, and economic implications it has on society? That opens up a huge can of worms that go off in all different directions, all of which can be skewed by personal bias. Its just not worth it to get into

EDIT- Hope this doesn't come off as me trying to get the last word in, I just wanted to end things on a more positive note by finding some common ground but explaining where the differences lie so we can just avoid them

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

Well yeah, that's the issue with vigilante justice, I'm not going to argue that. But there are situations when it is life or death and extreme actions are necessary. In this case, its hard to tell if lethal force was necessary, we aren't given all the facts. But given what we do know, it seems to me that the guy made some bad decisions that may have forced him into one of these situations. That was my point in my first post. Guns can help stop crime, but only in the right hands, rational hands. This situation seems to blur the line a bit and that worries me, as there's the potential that it could open the door for irrational people to take reckless irresponsible actions without facing consequence

I may agree with you to some extent, but you're going about this in such an idiotic way that I'm having to put a lot effort into distancing myself from your views

This is like a greater metaphor for the Texan's actions. Sentiment is fine, method is wrong wrong wrong!!!!!!!

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

Fair enough, this is WHY I dont like Death Penalty, Religious, etc.. discussions, cause everybody has their "facts" and I honestly dont know who to trust for those kinds of things, cause it's all skewed to one point of view or another....

FWIW, I know 2 people who were served the Death Penalty, people I grew up with, and as much as I hate to say it, they deserved it. They decided they were God to some extent and took peoples lives, so they were put to death. I think it was fair.

The irony here (in relate to the current issue) is absolutely delicious

 

[Phishphood]

Well yeah, that's the issue with vigilante justice, I'm not going to argue that. But there are situations when it is life or death and extreme actions are necessary. In this case, its hard to tell if lethal force was necessary, we aren't given all the facts. But given what we do know, it seems to me that the guy made some bad decisions that may have forced him into one of these situations. That was my point in my first post. Guns can help stop crime, but only in the right hands, rational hands. This situation seems to blur the line a bit and that worries me, as there's the potential that it could open the door for irrational people to take reckless irresponsible actions without facing consequence

I may agree with you to some extent, but you're going about this in such an idiotic way that I'm having to put a lot effort into distancing myself from your views

This is like a greater metaphor for the Texan's actions. Sentiment is fine, method is wrong wrong wrong!!!!!!!

So you're admitting to being an immature twat?

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

Its not always simple as that unfortunately. Is it fair that someone is shown the same disregard for life that they showed others? I think a lot of people would say yes, I would. But the real question is not is it fair to the criminals (although that is a major part), but is sentencing someone to death worth all the moral, social, and economic implications it has on society? That opens up a huge can of worms that go off in all different directions, all of which can be skewed by personal bias. Its just not worth it to get into

In summary, ending someone's life is more often than not more trouble than it's worth. Locking them away is a lot easier to deal with and legislate for. Plus it's like, more humane, man!

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

So you're admitting to being an immature twat?

Yes, in this instance.

 

[Phishphood]

Its not always simple as that unfortunately. Is it fair that someone is shown the same disregard for life that they showed others? I think a lot of people would say yes, I would. But the real question is not is it fair to the criminals (although that is a major part), but is sentencing someone to death worth all the moral, social, and economic implications it has on society? That opens up a huge can of worms that go off in all different directions, all of which can be skewed by personal bias. Its just not worth it to get into

In summary, ending someone's life is more often than not more trouble than it's worth. Locking them away is a lot easier to deal with and legislate for. Plus it's like, more humane, man!

I must be psychic because I went back and edited my post to make sure it didn't get misconstrued as what you just said before I even read your post. Preemtipwned

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

Hardly. I think all the amiguity your talking about, and the potential for stuff ups relating and stemming to and from that ambiguity, is a significant reason NOT to institute something as final as a death pentaly. Presuming something goes wrong in the ruling, or it's a completely biased case etc, death si way too final to sit well with me.

EDIT - wait I read your edit. Doesn't change my stance, though people are welcome to debate it. I could draw some savage parelells between your edit and the death penalty. But I won't!

 

[Phishphood]

savage parallels, that's almost as good as this gem I found on UG

I don't think savage parallels is worth a motivational though, a lot of the humor would be lost on people who haven't witnessed your immature arguments

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

Thats cool, dont address my awesome argument. Those paralells are still savage, shall I make them?

Epic bends reminds me of like a J pop video with some hillarious over dramatisation.

 

[duesentrieb]

This is a really scary thread

 

[Copperhead]

Since we're throwing out "facts" and figures here, can anyone tell me what the recidivism rate is for executed felons? Seems like it's well worth the cost, whatever the cost is.

Attack of the zombie thugs?

 

[Copperhead]

I must be psychic because I went back and edited my post to make sure it didn't get misconstrued as what you just said before I even read your post. Preemtipwned

Signature material!!!

 

[Odin]

Since we're throwing out "facts" and figures here, can anyone tell me what the recidivism rate is for executed felons? Seems like it's well worth the cost, whatever the cost is.

Can you tell me what the recidivism rate is for felons given life without parole

Many of them continue to commit crimes and victimize other prisoners, some of whom are in prison for non-violent crimes (most often drug crimes).

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

Thats not a rate or a figure!