Well I'm a student trying to become a car designer...

[GRK]

Well I am pulling for you.

Do you have any designs you could share with us or do you have to keep that stuff under wraps for fear of it being stolen?

I haven't designed anything that I think would be stolen. Not that good yet

Many of my sh!t's stored away. But I just took some pictures of what I have next to me. Many of these are 15 min sketches. The one's that aren't are obvious.

I also made a folder for some work my class mates did last week (had it in cam already). Nice stuff! Check out lol.avi in classmates folder. That's the usual scenario cause we do allnighters 3 nights a week at least every week. God I wish I was in law school. It'd be just as hard and I'd have tons more money... But I bet their classes are less fun

Sorry it's 110mb : http://gurkan.srvmusic.com/grk.zip (still uploading should be online in a few mins.)

 

[GRK]

'78 Corvette meets Chris-Craft meets pop-up sun shade.

Just a pointer: I don't even care how that car looks. The concept is so new and cool that I can't help but love it.

This is exactly what I mean by being close minded. Sure you can look at a friggin UFO and be like : Ewww that's a horrible design. But you failed to see is that you're looking at a frigging U, F fuckin O.

What you fail to see is it's a P.O.S. and nobody will buy it. I so hate if the attitude if you don't like something then you're close-minded. Where do you think BMW gets the money to pay acid tripping designers to come up with a one in a million design that's marketable? By selling cars......

So don't "buy" it. I don't know if you realized it's a concept car and you may or may not see it on the street ever... But let's put that aside for now. You don't like how it looks, fine. Don't deny the fact that it's totally new and no other company has done it before though. If you think that's not worth something, well you have no place to talk about design and innovation. Do you REALLY think car companies hire people who can design cars that will sell? Let me tell you, THEY DON'T. They come in our fuckin' school on our fuckin' last day of graduation and who do they hire? The craziest sons of bitches ever. People who can design cars that you don't see everyday on the street.

If "I won't buy it looks like crap hence it sucks" was the general motto, you'd still have cars from 80's unchanged. Do you want that? Not only cars either. Shoes, watches, cell phones, furnitures, computers... anything industrial design. Why do we even bother right? That POS you called might be the key design to open doors on how we look at cars and how we use cars. Dismissing it just cause "it looks like crap" is laughable and backwards thinking. If you say "dude that's crazy but I'm not sure about the looks" that's a whole different story.

POS and nobody will buy it? DUDE. IT IS A FRIGGIN CONCEPT CAR. I don't even know why I bother replying to that.. Another no point arguing scenario.

 

[Skirmish]

I think the idea is great and will be realized in some form or another soon. My brother is researching new textile materials for industrial use at a very renowned University here and they aren`t far away from flexible but incredible durable textiles. Actually they are already out there but have to be improved further. With that in mind there´s a good chance we`ll be seeing this concept applied to cars.

 

[mrp5150]

 

[Copperhead]

So don't "buy" it. I don't know if you realized it's a concept car and you may or may not see it on the street ever... But let's put that aside for now. You don't like how it looks, fine. Don't deny the fact that it's totally new and no other company has done it before though. If you think that's not worth something, well you have no place to talk about design and innovation. Do you REALLY think car companies hire people who can design cars that will sell? Let me tell you, THEY DON'T. They come in our fuckin' school on our fuckin' last day of graduation and who do they hire? The craziest sons of bitches ever. People who can design cars that you don't see everyday on the street.

If "I won't buy it looks like crap hence it sucks" was the general motto, you'd still have cars from 80's unchanged. Do you want that? Not only cars either. Shoes, watches, cell phones, furnitures, computers... anything industrial design. Why do we even bother right? That POS you called might be the key design to open doors on how we look at cars and how we use cars. Dismissing it just cause "it looks like crap" is laughable and backwards thinking. If you say "dude that's crazy but I'm not sure about the looks" that's a whole different story.

POS and nobody will buy it? DUDE. IT IS A FRIGGIN CONCEPT CAR. I don't even know why I bother replying to that.. Another no point arguing scenario.

Nothing like getting 4-lettered and talked down to by a college kid!

I deal with designers and artists every day, and am the guy that has to figure out how to put ideas into production, at a competitive cost, with superior quality.....
Sure would like designers to have a little "practical application" and "engineering limits" experience. A little "industry standard" would be nice too.

So that was my first impression, a cross between a wire frame sun shade and a ski boat that kinda looked like those old pace car 'vettes. I thought it was funny, didn't mean to get yer thong all twisted up in your piercings, sorry we have a different sense of humor.

 

[GRK]

So don't "buy" it. I don't know if you realized it's a concept car and you may or may not see it on the street ever... But let's put that aside for now. You don't like how it looks, fine. Don't deny the fact that it's totally new and no other company has done it before though. If you think that's not worth something, well you have no place to talk about design and innovation. Do you REALLY think car companies hire people who can design cars that will sell? Let me tell you, THEY DON'T. They come in our fuckin' school on our fuckin' last day of graduation and who do they hire? The craziest sons of bitches ever. People who can design cars that you don't see everyday on the street.

If "I won't buy it looks like crap hence it sucks" was the general motto, you'd still have cars from 80's unchanged. Do you want that? Not only cars either. Shoes, watches, cell phones, furnitures, computers... anything industrial design. Why do we even bother right? That POS you called might be the key design to open doors on how we look at cars and how we use cars. Dismissing it just cause "it looks like crap" is laughable and backwards thinking. If you say "dude that's crazy but I'm not sure about the looks" that's a whole different story.

POS and nobody will buy it? DUDE. IT IS A FRIGGIN CONCEPT CAR. I don't even know why I bother replying to that.. Another no point arguing scenario.

Nothing like getting 4-lettered and talked down to by a college kid!

I deal with designers and artists every day, and am the guy that has to figure out how to put ideas into production, at a competitive cost, with superior quality.....
Sure would like designers to have a little "practical application" and "engineering limits" experience. A little "industry standard" would be nice too.

So that was my first impression, a cross between a wire frame sun shade and a ski boat that kinda looked like those old pace car 'vettes. I thought it was funny, didn't mean to get yer thong all twisted up in your piercings, sorry we have a different sense of humor.

If design was left to engineers, we sure would be left with some fugly looking things my man. Sorry to break it to you but it goes both ways. I'm sure you know but maybe you can't accept the fact. You can't make stuff look good and we can't sit there and figure out the inner works and how things will work although we'll have an idea. Hell if engineering was left to us, we'd have good looking blocks that don't go anywhere. But there's always room for improvement in both sides, engineering and design. Do I even have to say these? You know it. What standards are you talking about? I'm sure touch screen phones weren't "standard" back in 80's.

Designer: So I'll have like one button to turn this thing on. Everything else will be touch screen
Engineer: Hmmm. Nah man that's not industry standard

That sure didn't happen, right?

Also, it's pointless to argue about the engineering of an already designed/finished concept car. There's a reason that car is on youtube and finished. Cause engineers and designers finished it. It works. It's new. Industry standards are a moot point. It's a concept car. Why would you design a concept car around industry standards? Why the hell would it be concept then and not a production car?

"Sure would like designers to have a little "practical application" and "engineering limits" experience. A little "industry standard" would be nice too."
That's very typical in car companies. Engineers think like that and it's very natural to think like that. Costs, how things are gonna get done and everything. Life WOULD be easier for you guys if we all kept doing the same old thing right? Use the same door hinges and same frame or most of it?

Industry standards are always to be changed. That's called innovation. You need it. You gotta live with it

I'm ok with being a "college kid" btw. I wish I never get old lol. I never knew people thought it was a bad thing. I'm sure you can take a few four letter words

 

[Chubtone]

Megamark is my new boyfriend! F1 fan and Xbox freak. I just can't allow any caparison headstocks in my house

 

[GRK]

I just can't allow any Caparison headstocks in my house

I think he's cute!

 

[mrp5150]

Megamark is my new boyfriend! F1 fan and Xbox freak. I just can't allow any caparison headstocks in my house

That BMW is definitely sick looking. It's still no Ferrari though.

EDIT: Devil's Tail headstock FTW.

 

[Chubtone]

I think he's cute!

Awesome. That should be Marks avatar forever!

 

[GRK]

I think he's cute!

Awesome. That should be Marks avatar forever!

I remember falling off the chair when this was first posted on HC

 

[mrp5150]

I'll make that my avatar forever if you get back that ridiculous looking black quilt top Suhr you just sold...and give it to me for free.

 

[Chubtone]

It's still no Ferrari though.

That's true. The BMW is a recent race winner.

 

[Chubtone]

I'll make that my avatar forever if you get back that ridiculous looking black quilt top Suhr you just sold...and give it to me for free.

That guitar is now living in Spain.

 

[GRK]

Mark, here's something my friend designed: http://cardesignnews.com/servlet/file/1 ... ONF_ID=218

Pretty sick IMO.

 

[Copperhead]

Industry standards are laws of physics and properties of materials. Steel behaves the same way at SAAB as it does in Flint, Michigan. You can't design away the melting point of aluminum or the degree of bend possible in steel 10-XXX or whatever. Innovation and new ideas are great, but the artist has to work with the media on his palette. Find and create new media and materials that give you more possibilities as an artist? Again, that's progress and innovation and inventiveness, and that's all good. But what I'm saying is, the new medium of your creation doesn't flow out of your pen, it comes from chemists and metallurgists and yes, engineers. Those who excel as designers are more than artists, they have practical background and knowledge applicable to the industry they work in.
Anyway, I'm sure I'm wrong again. Hey - you need to get married so you can have someone to argue with all the time!
I'm done.

 

[GRK]

Industry standards are laws of physics and properties of materials. Steel behaves the same way at SAAB as it does in Flint, Michigan. You can't design away the melting point of aluminum or the degree of bend possible in steel 10-XXX or whatever. Innovation and new ideas are great, but the artist has to work with the media on his palette. Find and create new media and materials that give you more possibilities as an artist? Again, that's progress and innovation and inventiveness, and that's all good. But what I'm saying is, the new medium of your creation doesn't flow out of your pen, it comes from chemists and metallurgists and yes, engineers. Those who excel as designers are more than artists, they have practical background and knowledge applicable to the industry they work in.
Anyway, I'm sure I'm wrong again. Hey - you need to get married so you can have someone to argue with all the time!
I'm done.

Well we say "sky is the limit" and you say "that can't be done" all the time. That's pretty much the summary. I've seen/heard it happen in Honda, Mitsubishi, Mercedes, Porsche, BMW and so on. I'm pretty sure it's the same way in every industrial design company.

Now. Take a person who says sky is the limit and take a person who says we can't do that. Not tell me who goes forward. First you have a problem then you have a solution right? Remember scientific method from high school? lol. Maybe I remember it more clearly cause I'm a "college kid"

Designer gives you the problem about a technical aspect, you solve it. I'm not even saying your job isn't important. It's just sad sometimes to see people say things like "artist has to work with the media on his pallete." If every engineer worked like that, we probably wouldn't have shit to work with in the first place. What you do is you try. If steel melts at that point, you tell the designer what material he CAN use instead of steel or better yet, come up with it. If I need something that's flexible and will stand wind coming to you at 120mph and that's not gonna puncture when a stone hits it, well, you find it. And they did. And they moved us forward. Showed us it doesn't have to be sheet metal.

I'm sure some engineers said "that's ridiculous" when this idea first came up. LOL.

Funny thing is. I AM arguing with you like you said. But what's funnier is, we are arguing on something that's done. Something that obviously WORKS, hence made a concept out of. Sure maybe it won't see the day of light. But it's DONE.

A wife? If you can find a girl who'll take a design student who'll owe 200k to his bank in 2 and a half years and who has no certain future, let me know. I'll marry in a jiffy and argue with her all day

 

[mrp5150]

It's still no Ferrari though.

That's true. The BMW is a recent race winner.

Fair point. Let's check the scoreboard then shall we?

Ferrari - 205 wins
BMW - 1 win



But really, I was glad to see BMW win that race. It's nice to see another team doing really well. I'm a big Alonso fan too, so I'd like to see he and Renault get back to their 2005-2006 form as well.

 

[mrp5150]

Mark, here's something my friend designed: http://cardesignnews.com/servlet/file/1 ... ONF_ID=218

Pretty sick IMO.

Looks really good man!

 

[Chubtone]

Fair point. Let's check the scoreboard then shall we?

Ferrari - 205 wins
BMW - 1 win



But really, I was glad to see BMW win that race. It's nice to see another team doing really well. I'm a big Alonso fan too, so I'd like to see he and Renault get back to their 2005-2006 form as well.

In the words of the immortal philosopher Janet Jackson, "What have you done for me lately?"

I'd rather check this scoreboard.

01 Robert Kubica 42
02 Lewis Hamilton 38
03 Felipe Massa 38
04 Kimi Räikkönen 35
05 Nick Heidfeld 28
06 Heikki Kovalainen 15
07 Mark Webber 15
08 Jarno Trulli 12
09 Fernando Alonso 9
10 Nico Rosberg 8
11 Kazuki Nakajima 7
12 David Coulthard 6
13 Timo Glock 5
14 Sebastian Vettel 5
15 Rubens Barrichello 5
16 Jenson Button 3
17 Sebastien Bourdais 2
18 Giancarlo Fisichella 0
19 Nelsinho Piquet 0
20 Takuma Sato 0
21 Anthony Davidson 0
22 Adrian Sutil 0