CarlF
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Clip using a Boss Pitch Shift and a Boss RV-6, but I don’t want pedals, I want to multi effect.
I guess lLne 6, and Fractal are the top contenders.
I guess lLne 6, and Fractal are the top contenders.
What’s a good multi effect? Got the wet dry thing going. I need a good multi effect. (clip)
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Jdub
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Old black face rocktron intellifex is good is you dont need anything to over the top. Good delay, reverb, chorus, etc. and cheap.
Rackman
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Might depend a little bit what you want to do with it. I'm very familiar with Eventide Vsig deep editing, so I generally stick with an H8000 or Eclipse. At this point if I had an H9000 I'd probably use that as I think they've fully surpassed their predecessors.
The Fractal is definitely more guitar oriented with both out front and loop effects, whereas I would only run the Eventides in the loop. Probably the easiest plug and play solution right now, and superior if you don't care about Vsig.
The 2290 does not pitch shift, but it has magical analog IO blocks and exceptional digital delay and chorus and perfectly acceptable flanging. Maybe the best stereo chorus ever. Only problem is they're all ancient and you have to own two so one can be in the shop at any given time. I don't think the pedal can even begin to match the analog blocks of the rack unit but I haven't really messed with it.
The Fractal is definitely more guitar oriented with both out front and loop effects, whereas I would only run the Eventides in the loop. Probably the easiest plug and play solution right now, and superior if you don't care about Vsig.
The 2290 does not pitch shift, but it has magical analog IO blocks and exceptional digital delay and chorus and perfectly acceptable flanging. Maybe the best stereo chorus ever. Only problem is they're all ancient and you have to own two so one can be in the shop at any given time. I don't think the pedal can even begin to match the analog blocks of the rack unit but I haven't really messed with it.
heath
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I love running W/D or W/D/W. It just sounds so 3D. If you are sold on rack units, many of the ones earlier mentioned are great places to start. I would add the G-Major, G-System, lexicon mpx 1, mpx g2, etc. So many great rack units that made many of the classic sounds. The newer eventide H90 or HX effects (even though they are pedals) would be a good option.
CarlF
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I gotta look at one of those Eventide units. I never had use for one, but it would be probably perfect for this application.
Rackman
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They are the king of the hill for micro pitch shift. The delays are perfectly good too. Reverbs are nice but maybe a bit dated sounding un-edited. Still very functional though. I use an eclipse in mono running a 300ms delay and a reverb in my current rack. Partially because my 2290 is in the shop
But I do like the Eventide and they handle hot loops very well.Vsig editing is a hole with no bottom. You can basically create entirely new effects from the elements of synthesis. The modulated reverbs you can create that way remain best in class to this day IMO. You've heard this stuff on so much film sound design work and whatnot it sounds like an old friend.
https://www.italodeangelis.com/it/eventide_and_other_stuff/eventide_H8000FW.asp
Listen to the Annapurna patch.
Devin
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H90
TheGreatGreen
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IMO, the best single multi effects unit money can buy is going to be the Axe-Fx III. You can do insane things with it. Also, Cliff & crew just completely rewrote the pitch shifting logic. It's way more stable and accurate than it used to be. I'll also say there are no delays anywhere that can beat Fractal's delays, not least of which because the Fractal can be programmed to emulate pretty much any delay unit you can think of as long as you know what's going on under the hood of that delay. Fractal's reverbs are top quality also.
The Axe-Fx 3 has four sets of outputs, too, meaning you could use an Axe-Fx for pre-effects into the front of the amp, AND post-effects for the Mark's effects return, AND stereo outs for your wet cabs, AND a dedicated set of stereo outs for front of house / recording console which you could add IR processing to so you don't have to mess around with mics.
The Axe-Fx 3 has four sets of outputs, too, meaning you could use an Axe-Fx for pre-effects into the front of the amp, AND post-effects for the Mark's effects return, AND stereo outs for your wet cabs, AND a dedicated set of stereo outs for front of house / recording console which you could add IR processing to so you don't have to mess around with mics.
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CarlF
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That thing is over the top and I don’t need all the amp simulations. It does look amazing and I know Vai and Satriani use it for things like reverb, chorus, and delay. I figured the smaller unit will be good enough.
TheGreatGreen
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You could just not use the amp sims! lol, kind of tongue in cheek but I would still 100% own an Axe-Fx even if it didn't have amp sims, because the effects and the routing possibilities are that good.
If you only want two outputs, basically mono dry and mono wet, you could go with an FM3 if you sent the Mark's loop send to the FM3's Input 2 and, and then plugged the OUT2-L jack into the Mark's effects return and OUT2-R into the Fryette. From there, inside the FM3, split the input into two signal paths, one with effects and one with only shunts. Route both paths' ends to the Output block, and pan the effects row 100% left and dry row 100% right. Done deal.
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chumbucket
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The Axe is the king of the hill but could be overkill. It's nice to have one to also play through headphones and not wake up the family or neighbors.
The VP4 would be my choice for someone who doesn't want to use the editor and just the UI on the unit.
CarlF
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I was looking at the fractal VP 4. I hear Leon Todd always using it.
CarlF
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I just checked the price. It’s a high price, but it’s still cheaper than the Soldano X 88ir that I was considering up until a few days ago.
TheGreatGreen
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That's a great unit but I don't think it supports wet/dry.
You're going to want to AD/DA convert the wet and the dry or else you'll get phase canceling for anything that's not 100% wet delay or 100% wet reverb, and the VP4 doesn't facilitate two internal signal paths, which you would need, one wet and one dry.
Rackman
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Not to dissuade you from an Axe-FX (I think it's a good unit and would consider it if buying in now) but do be aware that used prices on the Fractal stuff fall like a rock when a new version comes out. There are Axe-FX II MkIIs all over the place for $500 or so while a new AxeFX III MkII is $2400.
Sometimes that's a sign that people aren't as happy with their units actual sound as they let on. And/or that the market for a given unit is dominated by doctors/dentists/lawyers who can't be seen with last year's model rather than serious musicians. The more desirable older units by Eventide, TC, Lexicon etc. hold their value a lot better than that.
Of course if you can get what you want with an AxeFX II that's sort of a no brainer to just grab one off reverb.
Sometimes that's a sign that people aren't as happy with their units actual sound as they let on. And/or that the market for a given unit is dominated by doctors/dentists/lawyers who can't be seen with last year's model rather than serious musicians. The more desirable older units by Eventide, TC, Lexicon etc. hold their value a lot better than that.
Of course if you can get what you want with an AxeFX II that's sort of a no brainer to just grab one off reverb.
TheGreatGreen
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I don't really agree with this line of thinking. The old Eventide, TC, Lexicon units still hold their value because those companies never made anything better, so those old units still have specific sounds and workflows that people want and are familiar with, and they're becoming ever rarer.
Meanwhile, the newest Axe-Fx is an improvement over the previous Axe-Fx II in every possible way. If there was no Axe-Fx III, then used Axe-Fx II's would still command like-new prices.
Likewise, if TC had made a 2290 II that was an improvement over the 2290 in every possible way and they were still making it today, the original 2290's could be had for a small fraction of what they go for now. That's just the way technology works.
I do think the Axe-Fx II is a killer deal though and if you can find a good one for the right price, then yeah go for it, they still sound awesome.
Shask
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I was also gonna suggest VP4. Fractal effects are great.
There are some others, but mostly pedals these days, like the Eventide H90, or TC Plethora series.
You could also find the old rack units mentioned in this thread. I have several of those also. It really comes down to what specific effects you care about, and the switching and routing features you want.
There are some others, but mostly pedals these days, like the Eventide H90, or TC Plethora series.
You could also find the old rack units mentioned in this thread. I have several of those also. It really comes down to what specific effects you care about, and the switching and routing features you want.
CarlF
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Change in plans! Unhooked that stuff. The Mesa is awesome as is.
Something for the 2X12's en route!!!
Something for the 2X12's en route!!!
Rackman
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They hold their value not just because those companies failed to make something better, but because other companies also failed to make something better. There's a reason H series, PCM series, 2290s etc. remain staples.
I'm not hostile to Fractal, but any would-be buyer has to consider why so many people want theirs gone for $500, and whether you too will be in that boat in 2 years. Or put another way, Fractal has not yet managed to release a unit that's a staple with long-term demand.
BenoA
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How about a Boss using a Boss SDE delay? It lets you do easy the w-d-w output. I did some tests with 3 Katana amps and it sounded pretty cool.
My cat had to bombed the photo when I was doing my tests
My cat had to bombed the photo when I was doing my tests
