What amp has Best Plexi Sound (High Gain Head)

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A high gain head for a plexi sound? Will it ever end.......
 
Gutmann":2hs6lfbq said:
I like this one pretty much:

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Listen to this:
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http://www.muelleramplification.de/
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Could someone elaborate a bit more about this amps?

I loved the sample, I don't speak german so the site was out of reach for me...

What is the cost of these amps?
 
nitro":2906rpj2 said:
If your talking the van halen 1 sound(first album) the VHT-Fryette Deliverance D60H head all day long.........
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A cranked Plexi will get you that "cranked plexi" sound. Or so I hear...
 
Nico":2y0cs89r said:
Gutmann":2y0cs89r said:
I like this one pretty much:

nighthawk_1_1000.JPG


Listen to this:
:rock:

http://www.muelleramplification.de/
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Could someone elaborate a bit more about this amps?

I loved the sample, I don't speak german so the site was out of reach for me...

What is the cost of these amps?
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Here's the site about this Amp, sorry, no english one: http://www.muelleramplification.de/HTML ... pecial.htm
The description is quite a lot to translate. It's a 3 channel Amp with a non master plexi sound, a fat 800 and a modern channel - but designed more or less like a simple, pure 1 channel Amp.

Hand made in Germany, this baby is quite pricey (2250€ + extra cost for loop, footswitch and stuff).

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When you listen to van halen 1(first album)its sounds more then just a stock cranked plexi,no stock plexi will achieve the van halen 1 sound unless there is something in front of the amp such as a overdrive-distortion pedal thats for sure,I have talked about this a million times,there was a long write up on the gear page about this also.People have it stuck in there mind that a stock plexi will achieve that tone,they tend to believe what magazine articles say and they also believe what Eddies sez about how he achieved that sound and SOME of us know that Eds a huge BSer when it comes to his equipment.........
 
Greazygeo":1mt234n3 said:
A high gain head for a plexi sound? Will it ever end.......
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donbarzini":1mt234n3 said:
Greazygeo":1mt234n3 said:
A high gain head for a plexi sound? Will it ever end.......
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you make a plexi high gain, it ain't a plexi anymore

words of wisdom lloyd, words of wisdom.....
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Rogue":1mt234n3 said:
High gain Plexi. :lol: :LOL:
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Since these are pretty much exactly what I came here to say, I'm just going to leave it at that.
 
Yeah, there are about 50 different ways you can skin that cat; once you get to a certain level it's just a matter of what flavor of coolaide you wanna drink; so many good builders out there. I've had and heard some high gain amps that can approximate a good marshall'esque tone, but it's still an approximation at best. For my taste, I've only heard two "higher gain" amps that get very, very close and that's Rockstah's Mod5 and Dave Freidman's Marsha. Dave modded my Mojave Peacemaker to 68 Plexi specs, so I'm using this as my standard of refference. I'm sure there are others but these two are excellent. One word of caution, Mark A. is a touring musician, so you will be wating a loooooooooooong, looooooooooooooong, loooooooooooong time to get your amp back...but, what you get back will be worth the wait. If you don't have the 6-9 months to wait to get your amp back, I'd say, talk to Dave Freidman. You can't go wrong either way.

Another option is to give Frank Levi a call, especially if you're into Slash's tone. Frank modded the #34 and #36 amp that was used on Appetite for Destruction. He's going through Billy Squire's old Marshall now that he modded for him back in the early 80's and working on some new stuff that promises to be pretty rad. I've heard one of his modded JCM 800s and it was the bee's knees.
 
nitro":2pe0k7j0 said:
When you listen to van halen 1(first album)its sounds more then just a stock cranked plexi,no stock plexi will achieve the van halen 1 sound unless there is something in front of the amp such as a overdrive-distortion pedal thats for sure,I have talked about this a million times,there was a long write up on the gear page about this also.People have it stuck in there mind that a stock plexi will achieve that tone,they tend to believe what magazine articles say and they also believe what Eddies sez about how he achieved that sound and SOME of us know that Eds a huge BSer when it comes to his equipment.........
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I'm a pretty big fan of my new Splawn Quick Rod on first gear, but the best straight-in VH1 sound I've heard recently came from the Roccaforte amp.

Cheers,
 
Tehuk,I listened to that post before,go listen to van halen 1(first album)and then go back and listen to the post that you posted and then tell me whats missing,I already know the answer I just want you to relisten to it.
 
I don't want to turn this into...yet again, another debate about Ed's Plexi, but there were some, one-off, rare, non-standard or whatever you wanna call them parts and values used in his amp that, with the right signal chain, will get you those levels of gain...or at least close to it. I've done it and it works; a cavaeat to that is that you are getting power tube distortion that only happens at ear-bleeding loud volumes. The ONLY attenuator I've heard that can bring the volumes back down into the stratosphere and still sound good is the Faustine Phantom, and even then, it's still freaking loud. Unfortunately the price of the Phantom is also in the stratosphere. :thumbsdown:


Back to the topic at hand, Ed's early setup isn't practical for people who live in suburbinite America; there is so much hum and hiss, not to mention sheer volume when you have a Plexi dimed out into two 4x12's...one with GB's the other with a GB/JBL combo and an MXR Phaser, Flanger, 6 Band EQ and EP-3 in front pushing the front end of a Plexi using Sylvania 6ca7 fat bottles biased to 80ma and then dropped to 90v with everything on 10, that it just isn't realistic. The cops will be knocking on your door, unless you live in the boondocks. This was just the setup I tried but it was very, very close; however, there's no way could I live with this every day. It wasn't practical for Ed early on in his club days, and even later on when they were playing arenas is probably one of the reasons why he's freaking DEAF folks. Lets get this straight; the tone you are searching for doesn't happen at moderate volumes, so kudos to those who are smart enought to realize that, seek the next best thing and save their hearing. I can get very close with my Mod 5, without all of the effects and without going deaf....so, my adivce is a Marsha or a Mod 5.
 
My newly aqcuired JMP50 does a great job.

Low input, master on 10, pre on 10 it's a LOVELY classic plexi like sound. Whack her into high input, turn the master down and put a boost in front and you have high gain :thumbsup:

They're really cheap too.
 
The marsha and mod 5 are good sounding amps BUT, there are not close to the van halen 1 sound,listen to van halen 1(first album) and then listen to a clip of the mod 5 and marsha,ive been though the whole van halen thing since the 70s,the different values that some plexis had the variac thing so on and so on,Eds just not going to be honest on how he achieved the tone on van halen 1(first album),to me it sounds like a small amp cranked not a marshall or a marshall plexi with a overdrive-distortion unit.
 
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