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VonBonfire said:
Disagree. That's the parent's job. It's like saying I think schools should teach carburetor tuning. It doesn't have a place there, it's not part of a basic education. Neither is sex ed or gym either. I don't want some sick immoral lefty teacher telling my kid anything about love and romance, that's for damn sure.
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Well I agree that sex Ed shouldn’t be about love and romance. But people should learn about how their bodies work and the potential repercussions of what their bodies can do.
 
Aynirar27 said:
Well I agree that sex Ed shouldn’t be about love and romance. But people should learn about how their bodies work and the potential repercussions of what their bodies can do.
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If your parents didn't teach you about the birds and bees, if your parents didn't encourage reading, writing, and math, you had shit parents with the exception that some people, mostly older generations, have parents who cannot read or write. Neither of my grandparents had higher than a middle school education but somehow managed to figure out how to get ol' Johnson to throw six or seven kids without ever taking sex ed classes so I'd argue the need for learning about how a dick works is pretty damn minimal.
 
VonBonfire said:
If your parents didb"t teach you about the birds and bees. If your parents didn't encourage reading, writing, and math, you had shit parents with the exception that some people, mostly older generations, have parents who cannot read or write. Neither of my grandparents had higher than a middle school education but somehow managed to figure out how to get ol' Johnson to throw six or seven kids without ever taking sex ed classes so I'd argue the need for learning about how a dick works is pretty damn minimal.
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I was leaning more the other direction, of how to not have kids before you really want them. I mean just using this thread as evidence, clearly there are people out there who think sexuality is inappropriate for teenagers to be exposed to, so it’s logical to believe they arent talking to their own kids about it at hat age.
And of you think they aren’t thinking about fucking yet, you’d be mistaken.

But also, and I know this won’t go ever well with this crowd lol, sexual wellness in general is pretty dismal in this country. To tie back to my love of Space, when Sally Ride went to space for SIX days, NASA was going to send ONE HUNDRED tampons up with her. There are some clueless people out there.
 
Aynirar27 said:
I was leaning more the other direction, of how to not have kids before you really want them.
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Prime child bearing age prevents amazing planning for having kids. It's not realistic. Yeah no doubt in a perfect world I would've already owned the rural farm where I could ideally raise my kids outside the influence of urban troubles and issues, but the reality is I married a woman who already had a daughter and my son was unplanned. In the end kids are a huge blessing so you have to roll with the punches. There is no perfect timing IME.

People who wait until they are 35 or older wind up infertile or having kids with special needs. My sister gave birth to two downs syndrome boys having kids late into her 30's and early 40's.

I just told my kids if you are gonna go sleeping around you're living like a piece of shit that's gonna eff up your life and I ain't babysitting your kids either so make your choices. Pretty simple sex ed session.
 
VonBonfire said:
Prime child bearing age prevents amazing planning for having kids. It's not realistic. Yeah no doubt in a perfect world I would've already owned the rural farm where I could ideally raise my kids outside the influence of urban troubles and issues, but the reality is I married a woman who already had a daughter and my son was unplanned. In the end kids are a huge blessing so you have to roll with the punches. There is no perfect timing IME.

People who wait until they are 35 or older wind up infertile or having kids with special needs. My sister gave birth to two downs syndrome boys having kids late into her 30's and early 40's.

I just told my kids if you are gonna go sleeping around you're living like a piece of shit that's gonna eff up your life and I ain't babysitting your kids either so make your choices. Pretty simple sex ed session.
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I was thinking more along the lines of (unwantingly) getting pregnant while still in school.
there are a lot of misconceptions out there about sex and I think that is sad
 
Aynirar27 said:
I was thinking more along the lines of (unwantingly) getting pregnant while still in school.
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Gotcha. I think I am a handful of years older than you and my kids are done with college. Truthfully I am dang glad I got married and had my kids real young because I don't have the energy to deal with rug rats at my age now and now I can basically go out and gig and not worry about baby sitters etc etc. At the time everyone else got to go have their fun so when I see them all bogged down with kids now I am glad I took care of it. I still miss those 6-7-8 year old kid days. Lotta fun....
 
VonBonfire said:
Gotcha. I think I am a handful of years older than you and my kids are done with college. Truthfully I am dang glad I got married and had my kids real young because I don't have the energy to deal with rug rats at my age now and now I can basically go out and gig and not worry about baby sitters etc etc. At the time everyone else got to go have their fun so when I see them all bogged down with kids now I am glad I took care of it. I still miss those 6-7-8 year old kid days. Lotta fun....
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I don’t miss babysitters at all. When I met my wife she was working 3 jobs. It’s taken a lot of effort and I’ve probably died inside a little because of it, but by the time she was pregnant with our second child, we had moved to a safe town and she could be a stay at home mom.
I took jobs with odd hours to offset it as much as I could but it never worked out perfectly, so we had to do the babysitter thing for a little while in the interim and that pretty much sucked. We were lucky to have great sitters, but that feeling of them possibly not coming through lingered everyday as we got ready for work.
My youngest starts preschool next year though so the old lady can get her ass back to work a few days a week again. Stay tuned for some new gear days…
 
Aynirar27 said:
I don’t miss babysitters at all. When I met my wife she was working 3 jobs. It’s taken a lot of effort and I’ve probably died inside a little because of it, but by the time she was pregnant with our second child, we had moved to a safe town and she could be a stay at home mom.
I took jobs with odd hours to offset it as much as I could but it never worked out perfectly, so we had to do the babysitter thing for a little while in the interim and that pretty much sucked. We were lucky to have great sitters, but that feeling of them possibly not coming through lingered everyday as we got ready for work.
My youngest starts preschool next year though so the old lady can get her ass back to work a few days a week again. Stay tuned for some new gear days…
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I think you did it the right way.

I lived near my parents for part of the kid's youth but daycare is so expensive I worked part time during the week at flexible jobs and gigged on the weekends that way I could be around during the week to take care of kids. Pretty much still doing that today except house projects have taken the place of child care. My youngest kid graduated college last year so I make him grab my beer and cigars on the way home from work now. I always tell him I waited a long time for him to be this useful, lol. I somehow managed to have some great kids, I still can't believe it.
 
Aynirar27 said:
That’s because you don’t see “straight” as a gender identity. You just see it as normal
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No, I'm saying I don't care whether they are straight or normal, it's the weird desire to talk to kids about sex and gender that's the issue. I agree with VB, no one needs to be taught about sex — it comes quite naturally as it turns out. And if you need someone else to warn your kid not to get pregnant or catch a disease, you're an idiot.
Aynirar27 said:
Yes, plenty of stuff. But I’m cool with a book rated for teenagers being in a middle school full of teenagers.
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Yeah well, not everyone agrees with that rating.
Aynirar27 said:
No, the school doesn’t have to fix anyone’s beliefs. The parents have to grow up and deal with their beliefs like a rational person, which is not calling the police about a book.
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If a parent doesn't believe that their kid's "gender" and sex are misaligned, do you think it's the schools job to provide "correct" information to the student?
 
acceptance said:
No, I'm saying I don't care whether they are straight or normal, it's the weird desire to talk to kids about sex and gender that's the issue. I agree with VB, no one needs to be taught about sex — it comes quite naturally as it turns out. And if you need someone else to warn your son or daughter not to get pregnant or catch a disease, you're an idiot.

Yeah well, not everyone agrees with that rating.

If a parent doesn't believe that their kid's "gender" and sex are misaligned, do you think it's the schools job to provide "correct" information to the student?
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I don’t think you are grasping the point homie, you have unequal definitions of what “talking about sex and gender” implies. I don’t know how else I can explain it so I’m over it.

People don’t have to agree with the rating. It doesn’t mean they should call the police about it.

Also I didn’t say it was the schools responsibility to teach them about gender. I just think they should have the information available to any kid that wants or needs it. Nobody is forced to be exposed to anything, yet you guys don’t even want the option to exist. It’s some real backwards shit.
 
Aynirar27 said:
I don’t think you are grasping the point homie, you have unequal definitions of what “talking about sex and gender” implies. I don’t know how else I can explain it so I’m over it.
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You're not explaining it at all, and you don't seem to be grasping my point, which is that I would be equally opposed to a straight adult wanting to read books to kids and felt the need to highlight their "gender" or dressed like some of the folks a drag story hour. In other words, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR "GENDER IDENTITY"
 
Aynirar27 said:
Also I didn’t say it was the schools responsibility to teach them about gender. I just think they should have the information available to any kid that wants or needs it. Nobody is forced to be exposed to anything, yet you guys don’t even want the option to exist. It’s some real backwards shit.
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Should information also be made available that says "gender" is made up and that boys have penises and girls have vaginas? Or just the "information" that you think is correct?
 
acceptance said:
You're not explaining it at all, and you don't seem to be grasping my point, which is that I would be equally opposed to a straight adult wanting to read books to kids and felt the need to highlight their "gender" or dressed like some of the folks a drag story hour. In other words, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR "GENDER IDENTITY"
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But what would it take for a straight couple to “highlight their gender” to you? As mentioned before, would simply reading a Disney story to a class be considered “highlighting their straightness” to you? I don’t think it would. But if a gay couple read a story with a character in it, it would be considered pushing an agenda or ideal. It’s not equal because you see being straight as normal and nothing else.
 
acceptance said:
Should information also be made available that says "gender" is made up and that boys have penises and girls have vaginas? Or just the "information" that you think is correct?
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People can and do chose their gender identity. That’s what a gender identity is. That’s why people will say they feel like a “boy trapped in a women’s body”. They identify as a boy but their body has a vagina. You may not like it, but that is what is happening.
 
Aynirar27 said:
But what would it take for a straight couple to “highlight their gender” to you?
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Anything more than a simple introduction and reading appropriate material in appropriate attire is suspect, whether by gay, trans or straight. Anything that leads to even the appearance of impropriety should be rejected given the world we live in.
 
Aynirar27 said:
People can and do chose their gender identity. That’s what a gender identity is. That’s why people will say they feel like a “boy trapped in a women’s body”. They identify as a boy but their body has a vagina. You may not like it, but that is what is happening.
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People can choose it all they want, think it all they want and feel however they feel. That doesn't mean any of it is true or healthy.
 
acceptance said:
People can choose it all they want, think it all they want and feel however they feel. That doesn't mean any of it is true or healthy.
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An argument can easily be made that it is unhealthy to be not be able to openly talk about any issues or confusion with one’s gender. Thats a no brainer
 
Aynirar27 said:
An argument can easily be made that it is unhealthy to be not be able to openly talk about any issues or confusion with one’s gender. Thats a no brainer
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I agree. But not in school — at least not as part of the general curriculum, and also honoring the beliefs and wishes of the parents.
 
acceptance said:
Anything more than a simple introduction and reading appropriate material in appropriate attire is suspect, whether by gay, trans or straight. Anything that leads to even the appearance of impropriety should be rejected given the world we live in.
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So where do you draw the line of what shouldn’t be allowed because someone finds it in appropriate?
The problem isn’t that some people find drag in appropriate, that’s a given. The problem is that people are saying that it shouldn’t be available as a completely optional in no way mandatory event that people have to chose to go to. It’s complete bullshit and incredibly hypocritical.
 
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