When will Diezel make a single channel amp?

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I think it is odd when talking about a Diezel Made in China, the only thing people here mention is that the amp wouldn't "sound" right - as if there weren't any other (ethical?) reasons beside that for NOT supporting MIC Madness.

Thank god Peter stays on the right track!
 
~Abstract~":34lfo3sv said:
It just occurred to me that the Hagen (while completely badass) probably isn't going to draw any "new" consumers to the company. It sits squarely between the Herbert and VH4 right? That's what all the initial reports indicate. I don't understand the "gap" that amp fills. It was a narrow playing field to begin with...

A less expensive, more attainable, amp with the Diezel brand sound, along with options commonly found on other similar class amps would probably sell like hot cakes.
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i think the 'diezel deal' and drive behind all efforts - although peter and his wife and staff have to earn their living - is about love to sound and customers, not money. and with this philosophy any money-driven attempt to understand or analyse diezel's enterprise policy will fail. and that's why there will be no china beasts for the low price market and that's why future amps will still be awesome... because peter (and all the wonderful people that stand behind diezel) cares.
 
yeah read about it few times, thought there are some news about it
 
Peter Diezel":7dnztqzz said:
Sory to chime in but I design the boards
by myself and clean the restrooms by myself.

A Soldano made out of Michaels workbench
will never sound like a Soldano.

Lot´s of US manufactures are going to
produce outside, we not.

The high prices of our products are created
by small finances and the margin of our members
to pay their bills.
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Amen.
 
The first post of this thread is so blasphemous that immediate deletion of this thread is vital....

Diezel amp made in China..... :thumbsdown: :gethim: :lol: :LOL:
 
If you're not in business to make money...you're not in "business"...you're in "philanthropy".

Which is all well and good.

But then we must question Diezels prices.


Either you want to help humanity...or you want to make the most money possible.

Herr Diezel has priced his amps at the extreme upper end of the pricing spectrum...presumably making a large margin on a smaller number of amps. Increasing the number of amps produced would help more people...as pricing the product beyond the reach of most players is counterproductive to "philanthropy".

The whole thing doesn't make sense to me.

Is "Diezel" a business or a philanthropic enterprise....or something else entirely? If so, what?

I'd love to hear a thoughtful correction to where I'm wrong.

Thank you.
 
^ or make enough money to lead a comfortable life.

Not saying this is the case with Diezel, but people go into business for themselves for a variety of reasons and philanthropy or profit maximization isn't necessarily the end goal.
 
I'm in business for myself and my goal is not to "make as much money as possible". My goal is to work as much as "I want"...enough to live comfortably and have free time. Not saying this is Papa's goal, but people's choices are not always black and white, this or that, etc. So, in order to follow a logical train of thought...you're starting point has to be true, and it may not be.

I will say this, and anyone who knows anything about growing a company will attest...as soon as Diezel ramps up to build the number of low priced amps you're suggesting...the quality of ALL amps will fall. There would be too much to do, to many people "running" the company and making decisions for the quality to remain the same as it was when only a few amps were built.

The Diezel name won't mean as much as soon as it's attached to lower priced gear as well. And the quality of all amps will be lower.

J
 
~Abstract~":rzutjvgw said:
Papa may do whatever he likes, and ultimately he will.
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your posts seem a little shizophrenic... this is the answer to your question. and this is: no amp made in china
 
elfredoo":1f1w1k33 said:
~Abstract~":1f1w1k33 said:
Papa may do whatever he likes, and ultimately he will.
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your posts seem a little shizophrenic... this is the answer to your question. and this is: no amp made in china
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I've modified my thesis a few times...keep up.
 
Peter Diezel":1duqxx7w said:
Peace
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Herr Diezel...du hast meine liebe. Fuer immer und ewig. Werklich.

I want the best for you and your company.

Ich hab deine amps, und Ich will mare gehabst, gott sei dank.


Danke fuer alles!!!!!! Werklich!

Mat


bitte, excuse the poor Deutsche....It's been several years since I studied...
 
always peace \\// :) like vai said: it's all about peace and love and happiness

abstract knows what i mean... (i hope)
 
I think a stripped down Diezel is a cool idea, but not the outsourcing part. Diezels should only be made by Peter and co. Besides the Einstein is already a fairly simplified Diezel design and they can be had for a reasonable price used.

I'm not saying it's a terrible idea, just that Diezel is not the type of brand that should or would do this.
 
I would love to see a stripped down Diezel amp not because of the price but mainly because of portability. I'm at a time and place in my life where I just can't haul around the Einstein at rehearsals. I no longer have a rehearsal place of my own and have to use places rented by the hour. It just kills me that I can't use my Einstein anymore because of that. A 2x6V6 amp, with a couple of channels (my personal favourite right now is the Texas mode of the Einstein) and no more that 10-15 kg would be perfect. I would totally buy that, even if it costs almost as much as the Einstein. Well, I have to be realistic though, this probably won't happen anytime soon, and by the time it will, I'll probably be out of the scene alltogether :(
 
one of the key factors for the success of a business is that the offered service or product is desirable. Desire can be created in various ways: price, performance, durability, design, customer service, reference customers, ease of use,... This is called the value proposition. People who are in the demand of the offered value will recognize this and will pay the price because they know that the price/value ratio is carefully and fair balanced. It is extremely hard to launch a premium product in a market and to stay in that market with continouos success that is oversaturated with mediocre products. Diezel would loose his reputation and his unique selling proposition if he goes that direction. Alo he definitely cannot compete with companies like Marshall, Peavey, Fender that are so well optimized costwise. Peter would have to make compromises in parts and labor. And for sure this development will have negative effects on his flagship products and that in turn will put his whole existence and the lifes of his employees and their families at stake. On the other hand, if Peter could do the magic and deliver a single channel amp with absolutely the same sonic perfection and outstanding hardware quality for a small budget, who ever would buy the big berthas anymore? Then the question is if there is market a large enough to compensate the earnings? So, why would Peter put him self in such a dangerous situation?

There are literaly millions of people out there (me included) that desparately are GASing for an iPad but can't afford or are not willing ot pay the very high price for one and thus are crying for a cheaper version with functional or other compromises (with the aim to satisfy the desire to obtain one). Do you think Apple would go that way? Or any other premium company? The unspoken message is: Save up your money to afford the real deal.

Another thing coudl be that Peter would also spoil existing Diezel owners because these guys had a hard time collecting the funds to afford one.
just my 2ct, a very happy Diezel customer
 
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