Which amp out of these....

[tokyo tapes]

I love the SLO. To me it has more punch and is voiced better than the M90. For detuned/ 7-string I'm not so sure.
If you like KT-88's you should definitely check out this bad boy when it gets released:

http://www.blackstaramps.co.uk/products ... ne200.html

From what I have heard of the blackstar amps, I have extremely high expectations

Do you own both or are you judging from internet clips? Just asking......

I usually don't post opinions if I can't support them with some facts. Yes I own a -91 SLO. It's great but I'm not sure how it will react if you drop the tuning lower than D. It is a bit loose sounding on the bass strings.
The Blackstar amp hasn't been released yet, but I have talked to the Blackstar guys and a colleague of mine tried it at a NAMM preview. He was very impressed and I trust his judgement. If you mean the M90 go here and read my review:

http://www.ultimateguitargear.com/review_elmwood.htm

The M90 and M60 are a really great amps, but I prefer the SLO. Just my opinion

/Ulf

 

[thegame]

If you mean the M90 go here and read my review:

http://www.ultimateguitargear.com/review_elmwood.htm

/Ulf

Just read your M90 review. I have to agree, it really lacks that crushed glass upper midrange. This results in lack of detail IMO.

 

[stephen sawall]

Celestion G12K100
The 85's are great also for this.
I like the voice of these better.

You like the 85 more than the 100 ? The Celestion guy said they're pretty much the same thing.

I have both in the room I am in right now.
They have a lot in common, but are not the same.

The 100 is more expanded, more lows and highs.

I always mix them with one of these...
V30
H30
Greenback

I like the voice of them mixed better with the other speakers'

But that's me.

 

[Greazygeo]

VHT and a few others have a low end roll of in the preamp.
It is not the power amp.
This is part of the reason they sound so tight and the way they sit in the mix.

Two KT88 can do a lot of thump.
6550 are more tight.

I have been using these speakers since the 80's
You may not like the voice but as far as I am concerned they are the low tunning speaker....

Celestion G12K100
The 85's are great also for this.
I like the voice of these better.

I've much never liked two power tube amps...whether its EL34. 6550, KT88, 6l6....they just don't have the clarity or bottom end in reg tuning. 7 strings just make it worse.

I may try a pair of the speakers....need to figure out what cab to put them in.

I usually don't post opinions if I can't support them with some facts. Yes I own a -91 SLO. It's great but I'm not sure how it will react if you drop the tuning lower than D. It is a bit loose sounding on the bass strings.
The Blackstar amp hasn't been released yet, but I have talked to the Blackstar guys and a colleague of mine tried it at a NAMM preview. He was very impressed and I trust his judgement. If you mean the M90 go here and read my review:

http://www.ultimateguitargear.com/review_elmwood.htm

The M90 and M60 are a really great amps, but I prefer the SLO. Just my opinion

/Ulf

Thanks for the review.

 

[stephen sawall]

The 100 celestion is kind of scooped.
I like more of a V30/H30/65/greenback voice for what I do most of the time. I always mix it with one of these.
But the 100 keep the bottom tight.

I know what you mean about 2 power tubes and agree.
If a option I always like more power.
6 seems like a good place to start.

 

[Greazygeo]

The 100 celestion is kind of scooped.
I like more of a V30/H30/65/greenback voice for what I do most of the time. I always mix it with one of these.
But the 100 keep the bottom tight.

I know what you mean about 2 power tubes and agree.
If a option I always like more power.
6 seems like a good place to start.

Sound like a higher powered 75 maybe?

6 is probably overkill, but I think two is gonna be underkill 50-60 watt amps always sound like they are straining too much.

I found a few nice Herbert recordings and also SLO last nite. Some of the downtuned SLO clips (Drop D) make me think
wit a low B it will be unhappy though.

 

[stephen sawall]

It's kind of like a 75.
But the high end of the 75 always bothered me.
If you plug one in then you well know.

Myself I would love to get a Herbert ~ but have been waiting to see what the Hagen and preamp from the rumors have to bring.
I have about a dozen heads and I am not in a hurry.

If I was going to buy a Soldano....
I was thinking about a X99.

Here in Seattle last year there was a estimated 6000 bands doing gigs. You can go check out just about any piece of gear if you want to take the time to do it. I meet Mike Soladno in 97 and he well take the time to show you anything he has or is working on if you know him.
I know a Herbert can do the drop tunings. But myself ~ I never have tried anything below drop D into a Soldano. So I do not know.

I have been in a room with a few Soldano's and Diezel's at the same time and would have a hard time picking one or the other.
Both are great.

 

[johnnyjellybean]

might as well throw Cornford in with those also!


and maybe the Suhr OD100 SE+?


i liked all of those you listed on the first try, except the VH4, and now like the VH4 after hearing it with deferent tubes.


guess the Herbert would be my pick from your list. the Herbert probably covers the most bases, good feel, good clean, lots of sounds, etc.?


there's a M90 for $2800 at Hugeracks.

I am hoping to find something that will handle my 7 string low range. That is one area none of my current amps are good at. The OD100 sounds nice but I think it might be too close to what I have already.

If you are using Wizards...the OD100se+ sounds nothing like it at all. The OD is more modern.

Mark

Mark my fellow Canuck and Indie lover , how was the trip back? I'm gonna have to disagree on that one. The OD100SE+ is definitely a different animal than the Modern Classic but by no means is it more "modern sounding" The tone controls on the Modern Classic are ultra responsive and it is very easy to get modern or metal type sounds just using the mid and treble controls. The Modern Classic is also a REALLY tight amp with a lot of bottom on tap when dialed in right and it has the drop D thing covered in spades. They are not amps that are meant to be played at bedroom volumes but turn it up and .......stand back!!

 

[mentoneman]

Channel 2 of the Herbert is so flexible that personally I'd dig having 2 channel 2s and sacrifice channel 3s modern metal vibe.

One thing I noticed about herbie was that it kept up with the most high output pickups and very bright guitars and versus just getting too screachy and compressed it just got meaner!

So if you require dropped tunings and scary palm chug marching music,
Herbie would be good.

 

[thegame]

Sound like a higher powered 75 maybe?

6 is probably overkill, but I think two is gonna be underkill 50-60 watt amps always sound like they are straining too much.

I found a few nice Herbert recordings and also SLO last nite. Some of the downtuned SLO clips (Drop D) make me think
wit a low B it will be unhappy though.

Construction wise the 100 is a 75 except with the 100s large magnet replacing the 75s medium size one. Tone is like a 75 with more (and more solid) low end, quicker attack, more mids, scaled back highs. I wouldn't recommend the Wiz cab for these, as they are not airtight enough to enhance the headroom of high wattage speakers. You'll really need a modern voiced/built cab for such purposes. Trust me

There's no such thing as overkill when dealing with modern high gain amplification

 

[thegame]

Mark my fellow Canuck and Indie lover , how was the trip back? I'm gonna have to disagree on that one. The OD100SE+ is definitely a different animal than the Modern Classic but by no means is it more "modern sounding" The tone controls on the Modern Classic are ultra responsive and it is very easy to get modern or metal type sounds just using the mid and treble controls. The Modern Classic is also a REALLY tight amp with a lot of bottom on tap when dialed in right and it has the drop D thing covered in spades. They are not amps that are meant to be played at bedroom volumes but turn it up and .......stand back!!

I don't know man, I love my Wizard, it can get metal-ish with some work, but its not a plug in and play metal machine at all IMO.

 

[Greazygeo]

It's kind of like a 75.
But the high end of the 75 always bothered me.
If you plug one in then you well know.

Myself I would love to get a Herbert ~ but have been waiting to see what the Hagen and preamp from the rumors have to bring.
I have about a dozen heads and I am not in a hurry.

If I was going to buy a Soldano....
I was thinking about a X99.

Here in Seattle last year there was a estimated 6000 bands doing gigs. You can go check out just about any piece of gear if you want to take the time to do it. I meet Mike Soladno in 97 and he well take the time to show you anything he has or is working on if you know him.
I know a Herbert can do the drop tunings. But myself ~ I never have tried anything below drop D into a Soldano. So I do not know.

I have been in a room with a few Soldano's and Diezel's at the same time and would have a hard time picking one or the other.
Both are great.

At some point i'll have a SLO regardless. It's a time tested classic amp for sure. It's just which comes first.

Channel 2 of the Herbert is so flexible that personally I'd dig having 2 channel 2s and sacrifice channel 3s modern metal vibe.

One thing I noticed about herbie was that it kept up with the most high output pickups and very bright guitars and versus just getting too screachy and compressed it just got meaner!

So if you require dropped tunings and scary palm chug marching music,
Herbie would be good.

Hey Pat! I was checking out the vids you shot at TM with Zachman. Towards the end of the Herbert vid of CH 3 was sounding pretty good as was the SLO. I am looking for something solid at low range notes for sure.

Construction wise the 100 is a 75 except with the 100s large magnet replacing the 75s medium size one. Tone is like a 75 with more (and more solid) low end, quicker attack, more mids, scaled back highs. I wouldn't recommend the Wiz cab for these, as they are not airtight enough to enhance the headroom of high wattage speakers. You'll really need a modern voiced/built cab for such purposes. Trust me

There's no such thing as overkill when dealing with modern high gain amplification

From your descriptions it sounds something like a 75. I couldn't lift my Metal cabs with any heavier speakers anyway.

Mark my fellow Canuck and Indie lover , how was the trip back? I'm gonna have to disagree on that one. The OD100SE+ is definitely a different animal than the Modern Classic but by no means is it more "modern sounding" The tone controls on the Modern Classic are ultra responsive and it is very easy to get modern or metal type sounds just using the mid and treble controls. The Modern Classic is also a REALLY tight amp with a lot of bottom on tap when dialed in right and it has the drop D thing covered in spades. They are not amps that are meant to be played at bedroom volumes but turn it up and .......stand back!!

I don't find my Modern all that tight. It's not a "loose" amp, but my Metal is much tighter. The Modern is much more laid back sounding, more of a hard rock / classic rock tone. Nice amp though.

I don't know man, I love my Wizard, it can get metal-ish with some work, but its not a plug in and play metal machine at all IMO.

Mine either.....the Metal, that's a different story.

 

[Rufus Leaking]

From what I read in this thread George, I don't think you'd be happy with a SLO for drop tuned / 7 string stuff. Like JB said, it has a lot of hair around the notes. It's very clear but really not very tight. Great amp though!

Also, the Herbert is very mushy and compressed feeling. More so then Bogners to me. I don't think you'd be happy with that choice either.

Have you considered a Framus Cobra? I only spent a few minutes with one but it had an addictively tight low end that would be perfect for modern tones.

Don't you already have a UL? I would think that would be perfect for modern stuff - no?

Mako Dorado was another good suggestion....

 

[thegame]

I don't know man, I love my Wizard, it can get metal-ish with some work, but its not a plug in and play metal machine at all IMO.

Mine either.....the Metal, that's a different story.

I would include the Metal in my description as well. But I'm into some crazy shit

 

[thegame]

Also, the Herbert is very mushy and compressed feeling. More so then Bogners to me. I don't think you'd be happy with that choice either.

Mako Dorado was another good suggestion....

Ok you said it not me, but I agree 100 %

I never thought of it but the Dorado would be great for George's needs ! He should have bought my Mako, too late now. Makos are not fuzzy at all. Really solid no nonsense tone.

 

[Greazygeo]

From what I read in this thread George, I don't think you'd be happy with a SLO for drop tuned / 7 string stuff. Like JB said, it has a lot of hair around the notes. It's very clear but really not very tight. Great amp though!

Also, the Herbert is very mushy and compressed feeling. More so then Bogners to me. I don't think you'd be happy with that choice either.

Have you considered a Framus Cobra? I only spent a few minutes with one but it had an addictively tight low end that would be perfect for modern tones.

Don't you already have a UL? I would think that would be perfect for modern stuff - no?

Mako Dorado was another good suggestion....

I had an UL quite awhile ago. Cool amp, wanting to try something I've not had yet.

Was the Herbert you tried a newer one or older one? I'm hearing the newer ones are different. More compressed than Bogner's isn't going to be good.

I've not thought about any Framus stuff. They seem overpriced for what they are to me. If I remember right, they sounded kinda like a 5150.

 

[Greazygeo]

I would include the Metal in my description as well. But I'm into some crazy shit

You and all that Canada Corpse stuff...

 

[se7en]

From what I read in this thread George, I don't think you'd be happy with a SLO for drop tuned / 7 string stuff. Like JB said, it has a lot of hair around the notes. It's very clear but really not very tight. Great amp though!

Also, the Herbert is very mushy and compressed feeling. More so then Bogners to me. I don't think you'd be happy with that choice either.

Have you considered a Framus Cobra? I only spent a few minutes with one but it had an addictively tight low end that would be perfect for modern tones.

Don't you already have a UL? I would think that would be perfect for modern stuff - no?

Mako Dorado was another good suggestion....

I had an UL quite awhile ago. Cool amp, wanting to try something I've not had yet.

Was the Herbert you tried a newer one or older one? I'm hearing the newer ones are different. More compressed than Bogner's isn't going to be good.

I've not thought about any Framus stuff. They seem overpriced for what they are to me. If I remember right, they sounded kinda like a 5150.

The Cobra is based on the SLO circuit from what I hear...

 

[Greazygeo]

Ok you said it not me, but I agree 100 %

I never thought of it but the Dorado would be great for George's needs ! He should have bought my Mako, too late now. Makos are not fuzzy at all. Really solid no nonsense tone.

I'm hearing the newer ones are different...

It seems like MAKO stuff gets flipped pretty quickly. Not that that means anything.

 

[thegame]

Ok you said it not me, but I agree 100 %

I never thought of it but the Dorado would be great for George's needs ! He should have bought my Mako, too late now. Makos are not fuzzy at all. Really solid no nonsense tone.

I'm hearing the newer ones are different...

It seems like MAKO stuff gets flipped pretty quickly. Not that that means anything.

I recently sold my Mako and it did low tunings well, but the Dorado would be even better at it (6550 x 4). Look for J.B.'s Dorado clips, they were great.