Which amp out of these....

[Capulin Overdrive]

Mako Dorado?


Fortin Bones?

 

[johnnyjellybean]

Paige, I took my XTC to my tech buddies house yesterday and tryed a few mods per Mark C. I only kept one mod in, and that was the gain mod on R12. Talk about a huge difference!! It took away that congestion, cleared it up, tightened it up, and sounds more natural now and more open. It took away some gain from the post '04 gain mod, and now all the gain is usable. I can't believe Bogner doesn't put out the XTC's with this gain mod. It takes away the main thing that people don't like about the XTC (for those who don't like it). They'd sell a hell of a lot more of them if they used that mod instead of the one they're using right now IMO of course.

I was planning on doing this mod soon. You're referring to the one on the bognerampforum site, right? I think the blue channel is perfect, but the red is too compressed/muddy on rhythm work. Do you use the red for rhythm playing a lot more now?

My 2004 Classic came from the factory with the "Cameron" mod on R12. Mark C. was working there at the time and they were probably experimenting a bit.

 

[se7en]

Paige, I took my XTC to my tech buddies house yesterday and tryed a few mods per Mark C. I only kept one mod in, and that was the gain mod on R12. Talk about a huge difference!! It took away that congestion, cleared it up, tightened it up, and sounds more natural now and more open. It took away some gain from the post '04 gain mod, and now all the gain is usable. I can't believe Bogner doesn't put out the XTC's with this gain mod. It takes away the main thing that people don't like about the XTC (for those who don't like it). They'd sell a hell of a lot more of them if they used that mod instead of the one they're using right now IMO of course.

I was planning on doing this mod soon. You're referring to the one on the bognerampforum site, right? I think the blue channel is perfect, but the red is too compressed/muddy on rhythm work. Do you use the red for rhythm playing a lot more now?

My 2004 Classic came from the factory with the "Cameron" mod on R12. Mark C. was working there at the time and they were probably experimenting a bit.

Nice...I take it you like it?

 

[AmpliFIRE]

I'm not a huge fan of the Diezel tone myself, but that doesn't mean that they're not killer amps.

Out of the ones you listed, I would go with the Elmwood

THe only thing that worries me with the Elmwood is that with 2 KT88's there won't be enough clarity on the low notes of the 7 string. I like the Sig X which also uses 2 KT88's but not enough headroom for the low notes.

Hmm...I always thought that KT88's were known for tightness and clarity? Anyway, about the Bogner stuff. I never heard Bogner that I loved until I got my Cameron moded 101B. This it the ultimate 3 channel amp, and has cured my amp GAS for a long time. He opened up the red channel and it is just amazing. It's not compressed or muffeled at all and it just screams for leads. The rhythm tone is very tight as well. It's the most musical high gain channel I've ever heard. I'm a boosting freak...using my SD1 as a clean boost with every amp I've owned in the past (Mesa MK's, Powerball, Blackmore, Splawn QR to name a few) and I can honestly say that I'll never use a boost with the red channel of this amp.

Do you know what Mark did to mod your red channel? I absolutely love my 101b, but the red channel could use some more definition for rhythm playing / be opened up a bit. The blue is just perfect as is, so I imagine he didn't mod that, right?

Correct...he didn't touch the Blue channel (just the green and the red channels). I've been trying to find out exactly what he did, but he hasn't responded in my thread as of yet:

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=40627

It's definitely open sounding and more defined as well.

 

[Death by Uberschall]

Rackmount Dual Rectifier. Listen to King's X Dogman album, imho some really awesome drop tuned guitar tones. Case closed.

Pete

Good album...I don't think a Rectifier would work for him though, since he doesn't like a spongy feel.

Solid state rectifier and bold power settings would be pretty tight with a set of #8-#10 rated tubes.

 

[Rob Tahan]

Ive played 3 out of 4 of the amps that you listed and i think hands down the best and most versitile in my opinion is the Herbert. What a beast!

 

[Greazygeo]

Rackmount Dual Rectifier. Listen to King's X Dogman album, imho some really awesome drop tuned guitar tones. Case closed.

Pete

Boogies don't do it for me at all. I played a ton of Rectos, MKI, Tremoverb and owned a IIC+.....they feel awful to play thru.

 

[Greazygeo]

Ive played 3 out of 4 of the amps that you listed and i think hands down the best and most versitile in my opinion is the Herbert. What a beast!

Leaning towards the Herbert at the moment. But that could change any minute.

 

[Death by Uberschall]

The Diezel amps are supposed to be really great. Never played one personally. The only thing negative I ever heard about them is that they can sound somewhat sterile or "hi-fi" for a tube amp. Like I said, "heard", can't say for sure on that though. Others can probably chime in on that. But plenty of headroom should be there.

 

[White_Van]

The Diezel amps are supposed to be really great. Never played one personally. The only thing negative I ever heard about them is that they can sound somewhat sterile or "hi-fi" for a tube amp. Like I said, "heard", can't say for sure on that though. Others can probably chime in on that. But plenty of headroom should be there.

Hi Fi maybe, but definitely not sterile. My Einstein is extremely organic while maintaining excellent note definition and attack characteristics, it doesn't mush out. If you are used to playing something like a DR or such, it will sound Hi Fi because of the clarity of the gain.

I would definitely go with the Herbert, it has awesome note definition, gets really heavy, is versatile as hell, has great loops, and is built great.

 

[tokyo tapes]

I love the SLO. To me it has more punch and is voiced better than the M90. For detuned/ 7-string I'm not so sure.
If you like KT-88's you should definitely check out this bad boy when it gets released:

http://www.blackstaramps.co.uk/products ... ne200.html

From what I have heard of the blackstar amps, I have extremely high expectations

 

[johnnyjellybean]

Paige, I took my XTC to my tech buddies house yesterday and tryed a few mods per Mark C. I only kept one mod in, and that was the gain mod on R12. Talk about a huge difference!! It took away that congestion, cleared it up, tightened it up, and sounds more natural now and more open. It took away some gain from the post '04 gain mod, and now all the gain is usable. I can't believe Bogner doesn't put out the XTC's with this gain mod. It takes away the main thing that people don't like about the XTC (for those who don't like it). They'd sell a hell of a lot more of them if they used that mod instead of the one they're using right now IMO of course.

I was planning on doing this mod soon. You're referring to the one on the bognerampforum site, right? I think the blue channel is perfect, but the red is too compressed/muddy on rhythm work. Do you use the red for rhythm playing a lot more now?

My 2004 Classic came from the factory with the "Cameron" mod on R12. Mark C. was working there at the time and they were probably experimenting a bit.

Nice...I take it you like it?

I wouldn't think of ever touching it! The amp sounds perfect.

 

[johnnyjellybean]

I love the SLO. To me it has more punch and is voiced better than the M90. For detuned/ 7-string I'm not so sure.
If you like KT-88's you should definitely check out this bad boy when it gets released:

http://www.blackstaramps.co.uk/products ... ne200.html

From what I have heard of the blackstar amps, I have extremely high expectations

Do you own both or are you judging from internet clips? Just asking......

 

[johnnyjellybean]

Ive played 3 out of 4 of the amps that you listed and i think hands down the best and most versitile in my opinion is the Herbert. What a beast!

Leaning towards the Herbert at the moment. But that could change any minute.

The Herbert didn't do it for me so as a fellow Wizard owner, I'll be curious to hear your take on it if you do get it.

 

[thegame]

The Herbert didn't do it for me so as a fellow Wizard owner, I'll be curious to hear your take on it if you do get it.

I guarantee there'll be 3 guys on this forum who will have then been in the same predicament if George goes with that

 

[Mark Day]

might as well throw Cornford in with those also!


and maybe the Suhr OD100 SE+?


i liked all of those you listed on the first try, except the VH4, and now like the VH4 after hearing it with deferent tubes.


guess the Herbert would be my pick from your list. the Herbert probably covers the most bases, good feel, good clean, lots of sounds, etc.?


there's a M90 for $2800 at Hugeracks.

I am hoping to find something that will handle my 7 string low range. That is one area none of my current amps are good at. The OD100 sounds nice but I think it might be too close to what I have already.

If you are using Wizards...the OD100se+ sounds nothing like it at all. The OD is more modern.

Mark

 

[thegame]

Anybody seen or heard the Celestion Seven speakers. There is a video at Rivera's website with Mick from Slipnot. They are primarily talking about the KR Seven head that Rivera designed with him in mind. But they show a new Celestion speaker in the cabs, labeled Celestion Seven.

Those are simply relabeled Celestion G12K100 speakers. I have heard nothing about them being changed/redesigned for the Rivera cabs.

So that makes Rivera, Marshall, & Orange, at least, all who successfully sell the G12K100s in rear loaded cabs. There's a silly rumour going around that they don't work well in rear loads.

Awesome speakers, if I get a new cab sometime it will have these.

 

[Greazygeo]

I love the SLO. To me it has more punch and is voiced better than the M90. For detuned/ 7-string I'm not so sure.
If you like KT-88's you should definitely check out this bad boy when it gets released:

http://www.blackstaramps.co.uk/products ... ne200.html

From what I have heard of the blackstar amps, I have extremely high expectations

I'd have to hear the SLO with a 7 string. The two Hotrods I played were cool, but we only had reg tuned gtrs.

The Herbert didn't do it for me so as a fellow Wizard owner, I'll be curious to hear your take on it if you do get it.

We'll see what happens.

I guarantee there'll be 3 guys on this forum who will have then been in the same predicament if George goes with that

If you are using Wizards...the OD100se+ sounds nothing like it at all. The OD is more modern.

Mark

Yeah I have a Metal which Rick modded for me and a Modern Classic. The Modern is cool, but gets the same tones as my old '69 plexi does. It was great to use with a band since it has a great FX loop. Now that Im just recording it seems redundant to have it.

The Diezel amps are supposed to be really great. Never played one personally. The only thing negative I ever heard about them is that they can sound somewhat sterile or "hi-fi" for a tube amp. Like I said, "heard", can't say for sure on that though. Others can probably chime in on that. But plenty of headroom should be there.

With that many power tubes, there should be some headroom. But I hear so many clips of it where it sounds so mushy like a Bogner, makes me wonder. Gary and I talked alot about it while he had his. He said it was very compressed too.

 

[stephen sawall]

VHT and a few others have a low end roll of in the preamp.
It is not the power amp.
This is part of the reason they sound so tight and the way they sit in the mix.

Two KT88 can do a lot of thump.
6550 are more tight.

I have been using these speakers since the 80's
You may not like the voice but as far as I am concerned they are the low tunning speaker....

Celestion G12K100
The 85's are great also for this.
I like the voice of these better.

 

[thegame]

Celestion G12K100
The 85's are great also for this.
I like the voice of these better.

You like the 85 more than the 100 ? The Celestion guy said they're pretty much the same thing.