Which is the real amp vs Axe fx

[dead-pan]

I don't view it as a trick but a straight out lie.

 

[Tone Zone]

I don't view it as a trick but a straight out lie.

Yep, sounds like a better description actually.

 

[ejecta]

Like I said these things are useless and even more so when you have dishonesty involved.

 

[Chris6870]

3rd sounded the best.

 

[gtrplr71]

now that we wasted a day can we get back to the next VH thread? this was BULL****!

 

[DannyM]

Like I said these things are useless and even more so when you have dishonesty involved.

Since he is a AxeFX fanboy...maybe he really believes that if you mic up a cab for the AxeFX that it becomes a REAL amp ?!?

 

[ejecta]

Like I said these things are useless and even more so when you have dishonesty involved.

Since he is a AxeFX fanboy...maybe he really believes that if you mic up a cab for the AxeFX that it becomes a REAL amp ?!?

 

[Anonymous]

All three sound like I'm listening to an MP3 being played through the 1/2 inch speaker on my iPad.

This. These guess the clips while fun for the OP are useless. Modelers are great for recording and getting consistent tones. With clips you have no gage for the feel of playing... that's when it becomes very easy to tell the difference.

Actually more than a few people on here who rag on the axe fx say they can hear the difference in clips(it sounds digital etc etc) This is for those people. These were recorded straight,no post processing etc. Im more than curious at the guys who say they can hear the difference

My experience is they can only hear the "digitulz" if you tell them it's the Axe or whatever first...

Steve

 

[thiswaythatway]

1. Amp

2. Yamaha

3. Axe-Fx


Axe-Fx haters won't pick favorites out of fear of choosing the Axe-Fx as the best.

 

[gtr31]

All three sound like I'm listening to an MP3 being played through the 1/2 inch speaker on my iPad.

This. These guess the clips while fun for the OP are useless. Modelers are great for recording and getting consistent tones. With clips you have no gage for the feel of playing... that's when it becomes very easy to tell the difference.

Actually more than a few people on here who rag on the axe fx say they can hear the difference in clips(it sounds digital etc etc) This is for those people. These were recorded straight,no post processing etc. Im more than curious at the guys who say they can hear the difference

My experience is they can only hear the "digitulz" if you tell them it's the Axe or whatever first...

Steve

Thats what makes it all the funnier dude ,grown men back peddling .

Not one except the iPad guy ,did say that tone is all fake and sucks.

It's amazing the responses when the golden ears are threatened.

 

[ejecta]

All three sound like I'm listening to an MP3 being played through the 1/2 inch speaker on my iPad.

This. These guess the clips while fun for the OP are useless. Modelers are great for recording and getting consistent tones. With clips you have no gage for the feel of playing... that's when it becomes very easy to tell the difference.

Actually more than a few people on here who rag on the axe fx say they can hear the difference in clips(it sounds digital etc etc) This is for those people. These were recorded straight,no post processing etc. Im more than curious at the guys who say they can hear the difference

My experience is they can only hear the "digitulz" if you tell them it's the Axe or whatever first...

Steve

Thats what makes it all the funnier dude ,grown men back peddling .

Not one except the iPad guy ,did say that tone is all fake and sucks.

It's amazing the responses when the golden ears are threatened.

It's also funny watching grown men say that the AxeFX perfectly models real amps every new firmware release.

 

[lessthan12]

All three sound like I'm listening to an MP3 being played through the 1/2 inch speaker on my iPad.

This. These guess the clips while fun for the OP are useless. Modelers are great for recording and getting consistent tones. With clips you have no gage for the feel of playing... that's when it becomes very easy to tell the difference.

Actually more than a few people on here who rag on the axe fx say they can hear the difference in clips(it sounds digital etc etc) This is for those people. These were recorded straight,no post processing etc. Im more than curious at the guys who say they can hear the difference

My experience is they can only hear the "digitulz" if you tell them it's the Axe or whatever first...

Steve

Thats what makes it all the funnier dude ,grown men back peddling .

Not one except the iPad guy ,did say that tone is all fake and sucks.

It's amazing the responses when the golden ears are threatened.

Thats kind of the point Im getting at. You have all these great Axe Fx clips that other people post and are up front with them being done with the axe fx and 50% of people say it sounds great and 50% of people say it sounds good but they can tell its digital. They go into it knowing its an axe fx clip and are already biased as to how it sounds.
People hear what they want to hear. Not one person picked up that there was no amp in this small experiment, maybe iPad guy but he didn't come right out and say it.

 

[lessthan12]

Like I said these things are useless and even more so when you have dishonesty involved.

Since he is a AxeFX fanboy...maybe he really believes that if you mic up a cab for the AxeFX that it becomes a REAL amp ?!?

Hardly a fanboy bro and Ive owned a handful of the high end boutique amps that I now use models of in the Axe FX. Also, where did I say I mic'd up a real cab?

 

[RG955TT]

Well when you preface it with that there is a REAL BE100 as one of the clips and you have no idea how any of this is recorded and we take your statement at face value, then ONE of them MUST be the amp and thus you pick the one that sounds closest or most believable to you. The set up disqualifies this entire line of thinking from those if us who participated. The whole set up was a lie thus how people judged it is flawed from the very start. No real amp wasn't one of the choices...

 

[BYTOR]

Well when you preface it with that there is a REAL BE100 as one of the clips and you have no idea how any of this is recorded and we take your statement at face value, then ONE of them MUST be the amp and thus you pick the one that sounds closest or most believable to you. The set up disqualifies this entire line of thinking from those if us who participated. The whole set up was a lie thus how people judged it is flawed from the very start. No real amp wasn't one of the choices...

But if a "real" tube amp sounds better & more organic than a top tier modeler, then he should not be able to fool you. You should just be able to proclaim "I hear no real tube amp in these clips" !!!

Some folks even chose the $200 battery powered Yamaha THR10X as the obvious tube amp tone.

When Pete Thorn a couple years ago recorded clips of his AxeFx BE100 model & real BE100, Dave Friedman himself chose the AxeFx model to be the real thing! And that was 10 firmwares ago! What else really needs to be proven at this point? Especially when it comes to recorded tones......

 

[PatF]

Oh well it was fun. Truth be told I've been playing for 30 years with everyone in the band having at least a stack each. For about 10 years we had 2 stacks each and miked the drums through the 4000W PA at rehearsal. Can't take credit for ears after all that. I was listening to the clips on plastic Altec 2"-3" computer speakers.

 

[thiswaythatway]

All three sound like I'm listening to an MP3 being played through the 1/2 inch speaker on my iPad.

This. These guess the clips while fun for the OP are useless. Modelers are great for recording and getting consistent tones. With clips you have no gage for the feel of playing... that's when it becomes very easy to tell the difference.

Actually more than a few people on here who rag on the axe fx say they can hear the difference in clips(it sounds digital etc etc) This is for those people. These were recorded straight,no post processing etc. Im more than curious at the guys who say they can hear the difference

My experience is they can only hear the "digitulz" if you tell them it's the Axe or whatever first...

Steve

Thats what makes it all the funnier dude ,grown men back peddling .

Not one except the iPad guy ,did say that tone is all fake and sucks.

It's amazing the responses when the golden ears are threatened.

It's also funny watching grown men say that the AxeFX perfectly models real amps every new firmware release.

I know you've used that line before, I just know it.

 

[RG955TT]

Well when you preface it with that there is a REAL BE100 as one of the clips and you have no idea how any of this is recorded and we take your statement at face value, then ONE of them MUST be the amp and thus you pick the one that sounds closest or most believable to you. The set up disqualifies this entire line of thinking from those if us who participated. The whole set up was a lie thus how people judged it is flawed from the very start. No real amp wasn't one of the choices...

But if a "real" tube amp sounds better & more organic than a top tier modeler, then he should not be able to fool you. You should just be able to proclaim "I hear no real tube amp in these clips" !!!

Some folks even chose the $200 battery powered Yamaha THR10X as the obvious tube amp tone.

When Pete Thorn a couple years ago recorded clips of his AxeFx BE100 model & real BE100, Dave Friedman himself chose the AxeFx model to be the real thing! And that was 10 firmwares ago! What else really needs to be proven at this point? Especially when it comes to recorded tones......

Simple... because we were told there was a real amp in the samples. Again, we have no info on recording methods so taken at face value and knowing one of them is real you pick the one that is most real sounding which we did. Do the real test and then lets talk. I want to like the Axe but every band I hear live I can tell...sorry but I can. Just heard a really recent video of Styx (yeah I know) but there were no amps on stage and they have released a lot of live stuff lately and unlike the other vids all the tones on this concert sounded 2 gen to me, willing to bet they have gone to Axe or similar. Sorry but I have yet to hear anything that made me say wow I want one of these. Even the Mark Day Rush video, I get better tones than that on my real amps. Sorry, being honest. I have no reason to say otherwise. If it sounded better I would say so...or even as good as a great tube amp but it doesn't. Close, but still missing something to me. he difference isn't huge but its there.

 

[ejecta]

All three sound like I'm listening to an MP3 being played through the 1/2 inch speaker on my iPad.

This. These guess the clips while fun for the OP are useless. Modelers are great for recording and getting consistent tones. With clips you have no gage for the feel of playing... that's when it becomes very easy to tell the difference.

Actually more than a few people on here who rag on the axe fx say they can hear the difference in clips(it sounds digital etc etc) This is for those people. These were recorded straight,no post processing etc. Im more than curious at the guys who say they can hear the difference

My experience is they can only hear the "digitulz" if you tell them it's the Axe or whatever first...

Steve

Thats what makes it all the funnier dude ,grown men back peddling .

Not one except the iPad guy ,did say that tone is all fake and sucks.

It's amazing the responses when the golden ears are threatened.

It's also funny watching grown men say that the AxeFX perfectly models real amps every new firmware release.

I know you've used that line before, I just know it.

The truth never gets old.

 

[hstlaurent]

Well when you preface it with that there is a REAL BE100 as one of the clips and you have no idea how any of this is recorded and we take your statement at face value, then ONE of them MUST be the amp and thus you pick the one that sounds closest or most believable to you. The set up disqualifies this entire line of thinking from those if us who participated. The whole set up was a lie thus how people judged it is flawed from the very start. No real amp wasn't one of the choices...

But if a "real" tube amp sounds better & more organic than a top tier modeler, then he should not be able to fool you. You should just be able to proclaim "I hear no real tube amp in these clips" !!!

Well actually that's not entirely true. You can just go by elimination assume that the first 2 clip you like the least are digitals. Then the last one must be analog. No matter how good or bad it sounded over the other two. I figured the amp was not my type or misconfigured or something. Never heard a BE-100. I don't pretend to have golden hears. I don't lean toward one solution over the other. In the end plays what you likes.

But if you look at it from a more technical standpoint. Since when you record your signal and dump it in a wave file or mp3, you do a analog to digital conversion, in that conversion process you will lose analog information. That's perfectly normal in the process since you digital sampling rate will never be able to match the analog signal. You will loose even more information if you convert it in a mp3 due to compression. So in the end, you have 3 digital signals to compare. So you are not actually comparing the modeler's output to a real amp. You are comparing the modelers output to a digital rendering of an analog signal. A more interesting test would be to listen to the real signal. Just hide the source of the signal in another room or something. And see the results.