Which players do you hear the early VH influence from?

[paulyc]

Vitto! That one is huge.. I will be 100% honest though, I almost prefer Vitto's tapping. His leads were a thing of beauty ..crafted incredibly and like they told their own story. But you are right, no Ed, no Vitto we love!

I love Vito, but after Nuno pointed out that his leads were like the perfect bar graph (meaning planned out), I kind of lost some love for him. Great player, but not much reckless abandon there.

 

[paulyc]

For sure, Nuno stands out to me on his own as a complete monster and with a unique style and tone. The minute he riffs, you know it is him.

Interestingly enough, this guy was apparently a very big influence on Ed in the early days. They also knew each other. George Lynch confirmed this that the guy had all the chops but he didn't have DLR or the song writing that Ed has. Ultimately, the song writing is the most important so doesn't diminish the legacy in the slightest but no question here if this is 79, listen to those chops!

That whole tune is like a vehicle for him to blow his load on, over and over and over.

 

[panhead]

The two from the 80's that I immediately heard it was Nuno and Vito Bratta for sure. But I never felt they were ripping Eddie off in any way. I was actually pretty jazzed about both their styles.

yeah Nuno but he was a decade later

Ok. So their first record dropped in 1990. The 80s went to 1989 so let’s not split hairs eh?

Just saying 1990 is a far cry from 1978 get it? Nuno had plenty of time. I saw guys playn eds stuff in clubs in 79

 

[Rising Farce]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Dimebag. He was a huge EVH fan, and that blues-swing swagger runs through a lot of his playing.

 

[Mailman1971]

Vito Bratta!!

First one that came to mind for me.

Plus million for me. First guy popped my mind.
Love EVH
but prefer Vito slightly more.
I know.... blasphemy!!

 

[Beyond Black]

Vito Bratta!!

First one that came to mind for me.

Plus million for me. First guy popped my mind.
Love EVH
but prefer Vito slightly more.
I know.... blasphemy!!

We all know what you prefer!!!

 

[Mailman1971]

Ha!! Michael Anthony pantless. Ya got me.

 

[Mailman1971]

When I heard Nuno intro ‘Mutha don’t wanna school today’
Super EVH to me.

 

[paulyc]

When I heard Nuno intro ‘Mutha don’t wanna school today’
Super EVH to me.

And that song was written BEFORE he was in Extreme !

 

[Matte23]

When I heard Nuno intro ‘Mutha don’t wanna school today’
Super EVH to me.

Yes the intro was very Eruption influenced!!

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Well seeing as we are being truthful.. as much as I think the DLR era of VH is mind blowing with insane riffage and original ideas, as a musician, I also happen to think that Nuno is out of this world and the stuff he wrote through those first 3 Extreme albums (and a couple of tunes on the 4th) is also legendary. I would say his lead chops were more vast than Ed's but of course realize that without Ed, you might not have a magical Nuno. Also liking that tone on the first album... Laney pro tubes + RAT?

Vitto is also another guy who took the tapping to the next level. His take on tapping is probably the most musical I have heard from anyone and nobody since has taken that and run with it. Reb Beach does the super repetitive tap/legato runs up and down the neck but Vitto's solos were truly a thing of beauty. As I mentioned, they tell a story. In a way Vitto did it right... couple of albums and then pissed off into obscurity so the legend stayed strong. Yes they are "planned" but I think that's what I like. No way you just wing those off the top of your head. He wasn't a reckless player by any means. Everything on point. Of course the song writing is nowhere close to VH but on a lead level... White Lion is one of those bands you listen to just so you can get to the solo lol. Yngwie on the other hand doesn't give you the choice because the solo starts and never stops.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

For sure, Nuno stands out to me on his own as a complete monster and with a unique style and tone. The minute he riffs, you know it is him.

Interestingly enough, this guy was apparently a very big influence on Ed in the early days. They also knew each other. George Lynch confirmed this that the guy had all the chops but he didn't have DLR or the song writing that Ed has. Ultimately, the song writing is the most important so doesn't diminish the legacy in the slightest but no question here if this is 79, listen to those chops!

That whole tune is like a vehicle for him to blow his load on, over and over and over.

Yup but for what it is, it's bitchin. The guy has mad chops. If Ed caught that, no wonder he ripped the vibe and some of the licks off. They pop! Feels a bit like Ace Frehley asked VH to jam on one of his solo projects.

 

[stanz]

 

[Findthetone1]

The two from the 80's that I immediately heard it was Nuno and Vito Bratta for sure. But I never felt they were ripping Eddie off in any way. I was actually pretty jazzed about both their styles.

yeah Nuno but he was a decade later

Ok. So their first record dropped in 1990. The 80s went to 1989 so let’s not split hairs eh?

Just saying 1990 is a far cry from 1978 get it? Nuno had plenty of time. I saw guys playn eds stuff in clubs in 79

I get it. One has nothing to do with the other. Carry on

 

[stanz]

I saw guys playn' Ed's stuff in clubs in 79.

Same here.

 

[Beyond Black]

Killer guitar players. That section beginning at 3:00 was phenomenal. That singer is a freak!

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Killer guitar players. That section beginning at 3:00 was phenomenal. That singer is a freak!

Yeah not sure what I just watched there but some cool stuff going on.. not seeing much of the parallel with VH's playing though. A bit of cool effects but it isn't put together like Kilgore does. Anyway...

 

[stanz]

Listen...

Now listen to this...

The "Not Fade Away" clip is actually Black Oak, not Black Oak Arkansas. The first album under the name of Black Oak was titled "Race With The Devil". Cool, eh? The 2nd album "I'd Rather Be Sailing" was a throw-away. I know, cause I threw the tape out of the window of my '78 Ford Pinto.

VH (more-so DLR) was hugely influnced by BOA. Who wasn't in those days? Yeah, I'm old. I've heard that DLR wrote "Top Jimmy" as a tribute to Jim "Dandy" Mangrum. When VH I was released, a lot of guys were bashing DLR for ripping-off Jim Dandy. I remember it vividly. Not that it mattered, but people did take notice. To be fair, DLR asked Jim Mangrum if he minded him copping his persona... Jim gave Dave his blessing.

Black Oak clips...

(NFA studio version)

There's something primal about BOA, and I think much of Van Halen's early music shares that distinction. IMO, BOA was a huge contributor to this. If you're not feeling it... you're not listening. If you're listening, but can't feel it... smoke a bowl.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Ok! I'm hearing it! That's without medicinal aid... man those guys in the 70's could play. Less gain but they brought it. I would almost say the musicianship overall was more solid in the 70's..the wanking guitarists of the 80's stole the show but the drummers and bass players in the 70's had some serious jam. Vocalists were crazy good too. I do also see the persona DLR took on here too, no question. VH would not have been the same if three guys stood in one position playing those tunes. DLR crazy shit was the cherry on top.

 

[panhead]

Listen...

Now listen to this...

The "Not Fade Away" clip is actually Black Oak, not Black Oak Arkansas. The first album under the name of Black Oak was titled "Race With The Devil". Cool, eh? The 2nd album "I'd Rather Be Sailing" was a throw-away. I know, cause I threw the tape out of the window of my '78 Ford Pinto.

VH (more-so DLR) was hugely influnced by BOA. Who wasn't in those days? Yeah, I'm old. I've heard that DLR wrote "Top Jimmy" as a tribute to Jim "Dandy" Mangrum. When VH I was released, a lot of guys were bashing DLR for ripping-off Jim Dandy. I remember it vividly. Not that it mattered, but people did take notice. To be fair, DLR asked Jim Mangrum if he minded him copping his persona... Jim gave Dave his blessing.

Black Oak clips...

(NFA studio version)

There's something primal about BOA, and I think much of Van Halen's early music shares that distinction. IMO, BOA was a huge contributor to this. If you're not feeling it... you're not listening. If you're listening, but can't feel it... smoke a bowl.

Shawn lane did some time with Black Oak.He was like 15-16