Who does 'Gibson' better? Agile or Gibson?

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While I will agree that the price of a new Les Paul is steep- compared to an Edwards or Agile- to compare them on par is simply absurd. I have been hearing the “Gibson QC isn’t what it used to be” since the late 80s when I started playing. The funny thing to me is that I haven’t played a bad US production Les Paul in the past 10 years. The new Standards sound and play better than ever before. Yes, $2,500 sounds like a lot- but how much does a new PRS cost? Or a Suhr? The new Traditional series can be had for under $2k. If you want a Les Paul…. Buy a damn Gibson and be done with it.
 
I bought an 03 Les Paul Standard 50's neck profile from GC in Miami, about two weeks later the GC in West Palm Beach had one I liked better and swapped it for the one I bought in Miami, and I love it.
IMHO that's the only thing GC and Sam Ash are good for, played a dozen different guitars before I settled on the one I have, honestly I really didn't think any of them were duds.

Never tried an Agile or ESP.
 
SFW":2lifpbq1 said:
While I will agree that the price of a new Les Paul is steep- compared to an Edwards or Agile- to compare them on par is simply absurd. I have been hearing the “Gibson QC isn’t what it used to be” since the late 80s when I started playing. The funny thing to me is that I haven’t played a bad US production Les Paul in the past 10 years. The new Standards sound and play better than ever before. Yes, $2,500 sounds like a lot- but how much does a new PRS cost? Or a Suhr? The new Traditional series can be had for under $2k. If you want a Les Paul…. Buy a damn Gibson and be done with it.

have you ever played an edwards back to back to your golden gibsons to even say this?

come up here where the dew higher than in texas and the moisture level picks the duds from the batches - not your eyes, and i feel you would be singing a different tune. the saying holds true with both marshalls and les pauls - you have to play them all to find the good ones and once and a while you find the model that was made as it was intended, solid as a rock, and sounds/plays great where everything aligns like it should.

that my friend is called QC issues straight from the factory. had there never been QC problems at all at any point in time you would not hear such claims from other musicians would you?

ive never heard a QC problem from ESP custom shop or suhr guitars, thats for sure.

saying you have never played a bad one is a minority opinion or you have got damn good luck - because there are countless others that highly disagree and have not had the same experiences. far more than those who have claimed never to play a deffective model - especially from gibson QC.

im not talking shitty store setups either, actual wood quality fretboard-feeling-differences, neck straightness, and resonating sustain without a guitar cable plugged in.

guitar for guitar i would take an edwards first, epiphone second, and gibson third for a les paul style guitar. and to be honest im not partial to les pauls and can still tell the difference.
 
I know some people have said just pop for the Gibby b/c that's what I really want. True, very true. The new ones go for 3.5k, not the same 2-2.5k that they did a few years ago. And I thought that was a ridiculous price then.

http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electri ... ional.aspx

Based on this thread I definitely want a 50's neck Paul. I can really only recall two Pauls that I have played that I fell in love with, and that's throughout the years. I usually end up putting one down after a few minutes either because I have to keep tuning it or it doesn't sound good feel good etc. Like I said, two guitars that I got completely lost in and played for a good few hours and everyone at the store kept walking by to see what I was using. I felt like buying them right there.

I know the fact that they are in a store is a point against it right there, but you can usually find a Strat or Ibanez fairly quickly that you wouldn't mind spending some time with. Gibson hasn't really done a good enough job convincing me that I need to drop a few months pay on a guitar that I might want to play for more than a few minutes.
 
I got my Aglie 3100 at the same time my buddy got his Gibson Traditional, we compared them and found more finish issues with the Gibson.

I had a very nice Edwards LPC, great guitar! Would I trade my Agile for the Edwards? Never.
I sent my Agile to a tech to give it a once over and asuming it would need new electronics (because thats what the almighty rig-talk said), tech returned it saying the electronics were really good and didn't need replaced.

Sure the stock pups aren't the best but far from the worst. As a matter of fact the stock bridge pickup sounded better than the MCP Afwayu did. I have a 500T in it now and it sounds killer.

Beginer guitars????/ Come the fuck on Dave????

That being said, maybe all Agiles aren't the best but the one I have plays/sounds as good or better than any Gibson I have played. I have absolutely no interest in a Gibson LP but prolly will buy another Agile.
If they were the same price I would buy a Gibson just to have another one
 
headlessdeadguy":32s93kwh said:
I got my Aglie 3100 at the same time my buddy got his Gibson Traditional, we compared them and found more finish issues with the Gibson.

I had a very nice Edwards LPC, great guitar! Would I trade my Agile for the Edwards? Never.
I sent my Agile to a tech to give it a once over and asuming it would need new electronics (because thats what the almighty rig-talk said), tech returned it saying the electronics were really good and didn't need replaced.

Sure the stock pups aren't the best but far from the worst. As a matter of fact the stock bridge pickup sounded better than the MCP Afwayu did. I have a 500T in it now and it sounds killer.

Beginer guitars????/ Come the fuck on Dave????

That being said, maybe all Agiles aren't the best but the one I have plays/sounds as good or better than any Gibson I have played. I have absolutely no interest in a Gibson LP but prolly will buy another Agile.
If they were the same price I would buy a Gibson just to have another one
This was the guitar I played.....and it was killer. :thumbsup:
Yes I have owned Gibson Les Pauls ........so I do have a little credit here. :lol: :LOL:
The guitar didnt feel cheap or BEGINNER at all..... ;)
It was ripping with the MCP in it.... :rock:
Felt good....sounded great...
what more do you need from a guitar? :confused:
 
Vrad":1raiqrnr said:
Thus, despite having the hands of a 12 year old girl, I would have to go with the fat-necked LP if I ever got around to getting one... LOL! :D

My god! What did you do with the rest of her? :scared:
 
duodecim":2cyuhtk5 said:
Vrad":2cyuhtk5 said:
Thus, despite having the hands of a 12 year old girl, I would have to go with the fat-necked LP if I ever got around to getting one... LOL! :D

My god! What did you do with the rest of her? :scared:
:hys:

Good one man!
Didnt see that coming! :lol: :LOL:
 
glpg80":u5licdtg said:
have you ever played an edwards back to back to your golden gibsons to even say this?

Yes, I have. I've played Edwards and Agiles before. IMHO, the quality is not the same. The only company that makes a Les Paul on track with a Gibson would be Tokai. Please don't take my comments to mean that I am a Gibson fanboi. I really don't care for their business practices. However, if you want the Les Paul sound, then buy a real Les Paul. I have a great Eclipse, but it doesn't sound like my Les Paul.
 
Does anyone know the neck radius for the 50's Les Paul's? The Gibson website only says '50's style', and gives only specs for the fingerboard radius. I am trying to compare it to my Tom DeLonge strat which has a pretty fat neck for a strat, but I like the feel of it. Since that's a discontinued guitar I'm havving trouble finding specs on that as well :aww:

This just in! According to the Gibson website, the new models are using 300k pots for the volumes. By that logic, if the clones are using 500k pots, as most guitar manufacturers do, the Gibson would sound warmer and fuller by comparison. I'm not usually a whistleblower, but this is setting off red flags! It sure negates blind A/B tests by default. Especially given what I know about Gibson's business practices and the rumors that they are using cheap outsourced woods.
 
duodecim":32g9jumh said:
Vrad":32g9jumh said:
Thus, despite having the hands of a 12 year old girl, I would have to go with the fat-necked LP if I ever got around to getting one... LOL! :D

My god! What did you do with the rest of her? :scared:
Welp.. Its a long and somewhat unpleasant story... :(
 
Vrad":g79nwe1m said:
duodecim":g79nwe1m said:
Vrad":g79nwe1m said:
Thus, despite having the hands of a 12 year old girl, I would have to go with the fat-necked LP if I ever got around to getting one... LOL! :D

My god! What did you do with the rest of her? :scared:
Welp.. Its a long and somewhat unpleasant story... :(
I got time........ :checkthisout:


:lol: :LOL:
 
Mailman1971":1zba5fba said:
Vrad":1zba5fba said:
duodecim":1zba5fba said:
Vrad":1zba5fba said:
Thus, despite having the hands of a 12 year old girl, I would have to go with the fat-necked LP if I ever got around to getting one... LOL! :D

My god! What did you do with the rest of her? :scared:
Welp.. Its a long and somewhat unpleasant story... :(
I got time........ :checkthisout:


:lol: :LOL:
I lack the appropriate visual tools to properly explain
 
Mailman1971":v6igeyzu said:
Vrad":v6igeyzu said:
Mailman1971":v6igeyzu said:
I hear ya.....to messy to describe.
Something like that... :(
Well you can tie the hands together and dangle them from your rear view mirror.....
Ya know? I tried that, but the clapping was very distracting.
 
Vrad":2l269pqd said:
Mailman1971":2l269pqd said:
Vrad":2l269pqd said:
Mailman1971":2l269pqd said:
I hear ya.....to messy to describe.
Something like that... :(
Well you can tie the hands together and dangle them from your rear view mirror.....
Ya know? I tried that, but the clapping was very distracting.
You forgot the GOLDEN RULE..........GLOVES!! ;)
 
JakeAC5253":lrmpm8kf said:
Does anyone know the neck radius for the 50's Les Paul's? The Gibson website only says '50's style', and gives only specs for the fingerboard radius.

Les Paul 50's Profile
Nut Width - 1.695
1st Fret - .818"
12th Fret - .963"
Radius - 12"

Les Paul 60's Profile
Nut Width - 1.695
1st Fret - .800"
12th Fret - .875"
Radius - 12"
 
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