Who makes a more reliable car? USA or Japan?

[redrol]

No question, Japan, though repairs are more expensive depending on parts, etc.

 

[Code001]

Who makes a more reliable car? USA or Japan?

You're seriously doing this? Honestly now, you're starting to act childish. You couldn't stick to your guns in the car thread in off-topic, so you had to start a poll here? I also like how you completely ignored European cars.

 

[Code001]

Who makes a more reliable car? USA or Japan?

You're seriously doing this? Honestly now, you're starting to act childish. You couldn't stick to your guns in the car thread in off-topic, so you had to start a poll here? I also like how you completely ignored European cars.

Easy topic to poll. I only posted it in here to prevent anyone from being swayed by a different thread. Sounds like you already know how this will turn out...and don't like it.

YOU'RE COMPLETELY MISSING MY ENTIRE POINT! You keep saying that X brand is automatically inferior to Y brand. It has WAY more to do with general maintenance than anything else. I don't care which "comes out on top" because guess what....I LIKE ALL CARS. I'm a car guy, plain and simple. It's you who keeps trying to label things. It's simply unfair to automatically label one brand as reliable and one as unreliable. Are all Marshalls reliable? Are all Mesas reliable? Are all VHTs reliable? You see what I'm getting at here? In the end, all three of those make good amps. It's the same for cars.

Also, I don't have any reading comprehension problems. You seem to be the one with reading issues, because apparently, my point isn't getting through to you...

 

[Code001]

I am not missing your point at all. I just don't agree with it. Don't try to put this all on my shoulders either... let the poll run its course and look at the results.

How can you not agree with it? What part exactly don't you agree with? The biggest thing you're missing is you're not breaking them down by models. To say X model is generally not as reliable as Y model is perfectly fine. You know why? Because it's an even playing field. To lump an entire company into this is just ridiculous. Don't forget that people wouldn't even consider buying foreign cars 30 years ago! Buying foreign cars is still relatively new in the US. To compare their economic status is just as ridiculous, too. The poll results aren't going to change anything. There will still be reliable American cars, just as there will be reliable Japanese, German, Korean, Swedish, etc. cars.

Oh, and I'm still waiting for you to respond to the "technology" thing you brought up in the off-topic thread.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Oh, i honestly haven't even looked at the car thread in the off-topic forum since i started it. What did i stir up?

But the facts speak loud and clear. USA cars are vastly inferior to Japanese cars as far as reliablity is concerned, it's not opinion it's fact. And the fact that the entire American automobile industry is in chaos is even more proof. READ the list of Consumer Reports list of used cars to avoid, it's all American cars.

I'll be the first one in line to buy an American car when i feel comfortable knowing it's not going to fall apart after the warranty expires.


And FWIW, i drive a Chevy Uplander which is a company car. It's an 05 and has 60,000 miles on it. GUESS WHAT? It needs about $1000 worth of work done to the front end.

 

[Code001]

Oh, i honestly haven't even looked at the car thread in the off-topic forum since i started it. What did i stir up?

But the facts speak loud and clear. USA cars are vastly inferior to Japanese cars as far as reliablity is concerned, it's not opinion it's fact. And the fact that the entire American automobile industry is in chaos is even more proof. READ the list of Consumer Reports list of used cars to avoid, it's all American cars.

I'll be the first one in line to buy an American car when i feel comfortable knowing it's not going to fall apart after the warranty expires.


And FWIW, i drive a Chevy Uplanded which is a company car. It's an 05 and has 60,000 miles on it. GUESS WHAT? It needs about $1000 worth of work done to the front end.

Why don't you go read the thread and see before posting, then? All the points you mentioned have already been addressed.

Let me put this in "musician" terms so everybody can understand what I'm getting at. Marshall has had models that have been know to catch fire. Does that automatically make all Marshalls unreliable? VHT had some issues with the Sig X. Does that automatically make all VHTs unreliable? Comparing model by model is fine, but to lump the entire company into this is ridiculous. I don't know how many other times I can state this before people understand what I'm getting at.

 

[Gainfreak]

If you would have asked me years ago I would have said Japan hands down but Believe it or not, The quality of american cars has gone WAY ....WAY up and they can actually compete with the foreign cars.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Oh, i honestly haven't even looked at the car thread in the off-topic forum since i started it. What did i stir up?

But the facts speak loud and clear. USA cars are vastly inferior to Japanese cars as far as reliablity is concerned, it's not opinion it's fact. And the fact that the entire American automobile industry is in chaos is even more proof. READ the list of Consumer Reports list of used cars to avoid, it's all American cars.

I'll be the first one in line to buy an American car when i feel comfortable knowing it's not going to fall apart after the warranty expires.


And FWIW, i drive a Chevy Uplanded which is a company car. It's an 05 and has 60,000 miles on it. GUESS WHAT? It needs about $1000 worth of work done to the front end.

Why don't you go read the thread and see before posting, then? All the points you mentioned have already been addressed.

Let me put this in "musician" terms so everybody can understand what I'm getting at. Marshall has had models that have been know to catch fire. Does that automatically make all Marshalls unreliable? VHT had some issues with the Sig X. Does that automatically make all VHTs unreliable? Comparing model by model is fine, but to lump the entire company into this is ridiculous. I don't know how many other times I can state this before people understand what I'm getting at.

You can stop banging your head against the wall because everyone knew what you were talking about. The USA hasn't even cracked the top 10 list of most reliable cars so tell me which EXACT USA cars have a proven track record as far as reliabilty is concerned. Sure there's a few, but the list is very short compared to what Toyota and Honda have.

And there's going to be plenty of people who have good luck with their Ford or Chevy, you have to look at thousands of cars and see which percentage of them breaks down. The numbers don't lie.

You seem to not care what Consumer Reports think's but they are pretty much dead on as far as their tests are concerned, case in point my experience of the Chevy S-10 versus a Toyota Tacoma. Consumer Reports gave bad marks against the S-10 and Blazer's automatic transmissions and guess what my Dad had to replace in both cars?

 

[headlessdeadguy]

I personally have 4 American made Vehicles. Aside from having to put an engine in my wife's Montana (86k) I have done nothing to any of them other than maintenance.











Oh yeah, I bought the Montana from a friend who had wrecked it and I fixed it 3 times. I got it dirt cheep and he told me the oil had only been changed 3 or 4 times since he bought it new. So the maintenance, again, an issue.

 

[Meathead]

My Honda Civic has 60 000 miles on it and not one repair. Love that car...it works, amazing on gas.
My girlfriends Dodge Caravan which has the same miles on it is starting to have problems already.
My last car (Chrysler Intrepid) was always having problems to...I'm sticking with Honda.

 

[bravedude2]

watch that timing belt on the honda, when mine broke it bent valves. it cost around 600.bucks but my bro did the work so that saved me some cash .
90,000 miles is the magic number.

 

[Meathead]

watch that timing belt on the honda, when mine broke it bent valves. it cost around 600.bucks but my bro did the work so that saved me some cash .
90,000 miles is the magic number.

Thanks

 

[Copperhead]

I bought three brand new American cars, Ford, Dodge, and Chevrolet, in that order. The dealer took back the Ford after two years. The Dodge averaged two days in warranty repairs per 6-1/2 weeks of ownership over three years. It was also repainted under warranty then traded in. The Chevy had three engines in a year and a half. It was lemon-lawed. I settled with Chevrolet for a full bumper to bumper warranty for 100,000 miles. I traded it in with disgust at 42,000 miles when the third engine wouldn't quit smoking, and they refused to repair it until it broke completely.
I bought an Isuzu Trooper.
New trans at 99000 miles, under warranty. Two electric window motors along the way. I just sold it, 9 years old, and it still had the original brakes on it, which were good.
All my vehicles have always run full synthetic fluids starting from the first change interval, (AMSOIL) and have had complete service performed at the "extreme climate" or "hard service" intervals.
I currently own a Toyota pickup, 45000 miles. Had a battery go under warranty that's it.
I just bought my wife a 2007 Lexus.
Think I'm going back? NO WAY!!!!

EDIT: The problems with the Ford were, engine overheated, caught on fire, and melted the freezeplugs out TWICE in a year and a half, no indication of problems at the gauges, both times engine just quit then burned. Then the front swaybar broke in half, in the middle, on a mountain pass, I spun out but luckily did not crash.
Then a front wheel FELL OFF while my wife was driving, the spindle snapped in half......

 

[dawnofdreamx97]

Maybe 15- 20 years ago Japanese cars may have been more reliable... But honestly these days all new vehicles are pretty much designed to go well over 100,000 miles without any major work. I will always buy American, I was born and raised on Fords and will always drive a ford, gm , or mopar vehicle. If you know how to drive your vehicle and know basic maintenence you'll be in the clear. I'll always be a ford truck guy.....

Here is a pic of my 04 Mountaineer...

 

[Shawn Lutz]

what about Canada? I have a Japanese car (2008 Honda Civi cpe) that was built in Canada

I never had any problem with F-150 Trucks, I had 3 of them as well as an Expedition EB no issues at all. I gt the wife the 2008 Ford Edge LTD and so far so good.

The both can make some reliable cars and I'm willing to bet they both can leta few unreliable ones into the market....

 

[Meathead]

what about Canada? I have a Japanese car (2008 Honda Civi cpe) that was built in Canada

My Civic was made an hour away from me in Canada with Canadian employees. The metal used and most of the parts where made in Canada too.
I'm actually supporting North America by buying a Honda which...is cool.

 

[MARK1970]

I have a Jeep Wrangler with a straight 6. 190,000 miles. I change the water pump 2x, The front brakes I had to change them last year. The back brakes are still like new. Jeep still runs great. Now, on the other hand I have a Nissan Titan crew cab. I love this truck and the reason I chose this was because it handled better and felt more comfortable to drive. I tried all others before this. IMHO the Titan was the better choice. How many people own amps made in England and Germany ? I honestly think Japan makes the more reliable affordable car, but an american made top of the line car is more reliable. I think the cheaper american made cars suck on reliability.

 

[Audioholic]

In my experience and car price range (which is low), foreign has beat out USA cars in build quality and reliability.

 

[ke2]

Toyota has been voted the most reliable cars in Norway as long as I can remember.
German cars are also solid, but you pay through your nose to fix them.
French cars suck ass, but are comparably cheap in Norway...

 

[Digital Jams]

Both my 2004 american cars have had zero breakdowns.

Preventative maintenance goes a long way

Wife and I will always own an american muscle car, been thinking the next car will be a vette.