Who's NOT jumping on the Kemper wagon?

[rocknrolla]

Guitar gear is like pizza and tits. Even when it's not the best it's still pretty great.

 

[Shark Diver]

Guitar gear is like pizza and tits. Even when it's not the best it's still pretty great.

Except pizza and tits don't get better with age

 

[metalmaniac93]

Guitar gear is like pizza and tits. Even when it's not the best it's still pretty great.

Except pizza and tits don't get better with age

 

[Zachman]

Guitar gear is like pizza and tits. Even when it's not the best it's still pretty great.

Except pizza and tits don't get better with age

 

[Gorehog]

im perfectly ok with my tube amps.i have loud ones for band/jamming stuff and low wattage ones for home use.
i had an AXE FX standard and sold it long ago.

guitar>pedals>amps>cabs= winning!!!!!!!!!!!!

tho i am really intereseted in the two notes products.

 

[Ventura]

Bitch Less, Play More.

There is no better, worse, right or wrong. What is kazy is just how much time we spend thinking about all of it - and I'm up there with worst-offenders. I need to check myself - dude - shut up 'n play yer guitar.

Which is what I'm off to do RIGHT now to test drive my brand new Foxrox Octron2

Peace,
Mojo

 

[thegame]

I'm reading that some of you are content with the 'feel' aspect of the Kemper while others are clearly not. Shit, I even have a problem with tube amps that are not lively or dynamic enough.

The unbreakable rule of this digital amp phenomenon is that they only sound good until the next version comes along. The tone of classic tube amps, and ironically not the amps themselves, will never go out of style.

 

[Zachman]

I'm reading that some of you are content with the 'feel' aspect of the Kemper while others are clearly not. Shit, I even have a problem with tube amps that are not lively or dynamic enough.

The unbreakable rule of this digital amp phenomenon is that they only sound good until the next version comes along. The tone of classic tube amps, and ironically not the amps themselves, will never go out of style.

I dunno... I've heard digital this or that's (several), also analog, tube and solid state solutions-- that didn't sound good to me, no matter the version-- due to several factors (recording, familiarity, pilot error, just being LAME, etc...) I've heard them also sound good, due to several factors. I have NEVER EVER thought, the modelers sounded better than the real thing, in some cases they sound pretty close to the real thing (indistinguishable even in some cases) BUT more importantly-- I have never felt as inspired by the modelers as I have using the real thing.

That said, small rigs definitely have their role-- but while they're clearly getting better... they aren't there yet-- as far as I'm concerned, but readily admit my bias/preference of not needing or wanting to compromise.

 

[polaris20]

I see that you are obviously some kind of super English Lit major, using sophisticated words such a " irony". You even use it in different forms such as "ironic" and "irony". This is quite "ironic " to me that you have such a vast amount of time to learn such sophistications of the English language, when you clearly have a complete fascination with all things me( I'm blushing) and the Kemper. Which, if you ask me, are 2 pretty great things, so I can't say I mind such idolizing. As far as bein productive, I believe I delivered my 12th child in the field last shift, but I'll see If I can manage to be as productive as you are today though

Well, that's almost interesting. Almost.

GOOD ONE!!!!

Would you guys fuck already and get it over with?

 

[polaris20]

I'm reading that some of you are content with the 'feel' aspect of the Kemper while others are clearly not. Shit, I even have a problem with tube amps that are not lively or dynamic enough.

The unbreakable rule of this digital amp phenomenon is that they only sound good until the next version comes along. The tone of classic tube amps, and ironically not the amps themselves, will never go out of style.

I dunno... I've heard digital this or that's (several), also analog, tube and solid state solutions-- that didn't sound good to me, no matter the version-- due to several factors (recording, familiarity, pilot error, just being LAME, etc...) I've heard them also sound good, due to several factors. I have NEVER EVER thought, the modelers sounded better than the real thing, in some cases they sound pretty close to the real thing (indistinguishable even in some cases) BUT more importantly-- I have never felt as inspired by the modelers as I have using the real thing.

That said, small rigs definitely have their role-- but while they're clearly getting better... they aren't there yet-- as far as I'm concerned, but readily admit my bias/preference of not needing or wanting to compromise.

If I had the choice of a couple great tube amps or a Kemper/Axe, provided noise levels and recording ease weren't a concern, I'd go tube every time; even if it meant only having two amps.

But in my situation, where I want to record early morning, late night, etc. and have little kids, having a tube amp is just dumb, unless I want to go the route of Torpedo or Palmer. At this point, a modeler is just a better option. And while my POD HD is okay, it's not a Kemper or Axe. This is the spot where modelers make the most sense, I think.

 

[Deleted member 3860]

Guitar gear is like pizza and tits. Even when it's not the best it's still pretty great.

Except pizza and tits don't get better with age

 

[Zachman]

I'm reading that some of you are content with the 'feel' aspect of the Kemper while others are clearly not. Shit, I even have a problem with tube amps that are not lively or dynamic enough.

The unbreakable rule of this digital amp phenomenon is that they only sound good until the next version comes along. The tone of classic tube amps, and ironically not the amps themselves, will never go out of style.

I dunno... I've heard digital this or that's (several), also analog, tube and solid state solutions-- that didn't sound good to me, no matter the version-- due to several factors (recording, familiarity, pilot error, just being LAME, etc...) I've heard them also sound good, due to several factors. I have NEVER EVER thought, the modelers sounded better than the real thing, in some cases they sound pretty close to the real thing (indistinguishable even in some cases) BUT more importantly-- I have never felt as inspired by the modelers as I have using the real thing.

That said, small rigs definitely have their role-- but while they're clearly getting better... they aren't there yet-- as far as I'm concerned, but readily admit my bias/preference of not needing or wanting to compromise.

If I had the choice of a couple great tube amps or a Kemper/Axe, provided noise levels and recording ease weren't a concern, I'd go tube every time; even if it meant only having two amps.

But in my situation, where I want to record early morning, late night, etc. and have little kids, having a tube amp is just dumb, unless I want to go the route of Torpedo or Palmer. At this point, a modeler is just a better option. And while my POD HD is okay, it's not a Kemper or Axe. This is the spot where modelers make the most sense, I think.

I hear/feel you, and like I said-- they are tools.

My priority was very narrowly focused on getting the best gear possible, all other considerations (Portability, cost, size, weight, etc...) were irrelevant

 

[ConcreteVampire]

CRANKED 18 WATT COMBO FOR THE WIN!



Wait!

Wrong forum!

(Bows head.... Scurries off to TGP to be ignored cause it's not a a Matchless...)






PS: Tubes FTW!!!

 

[Zachman]

CRANKED 18 WATT COMBO FOR THE WIN!



Wait!

Wrong forum!

(Bows head.... Scurries off to TGP to be ignored cause it's not a a Matchless...)






PS: Tubes FTW!!!

Horses for courses.

I remember looking at LP covers and seeing Multiple stacks and thinking how COOL/Rock-N-Roll that was/IS. I still think the same thing.

 

[freeballinusa]

Thank You ZachMan! Stax 4 days

 

[Zachman]

Thank You ZachMan! Stax 4 days

 

[Ventura]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ To Sir Zachman's post above.

Now THAT is pure porn!!!

 

[GtarLover]

Doesn't it ALL have it's place?

I agree that there's really nothing like plugging into a Full Stack and ripping it up!
I agree that some late night jamming sessions or stages need to be more quiet and it could be that an Axe/Kemper might help

Do these possibly require different tools? It would seem so to me.
Is that cool? Again, it would seem so.
Does this sound better than that, given the situation? It's a matter of opinion, right?

I have too many amp heads
I have too many pre amps
I have too many power amps
I have too many cabs
I have too many effects
I have too many modelers

I am clearly always searching for "the better" mousetrap...always chasing "THE" tone and an easier way to produce it.

IMO, it's all good fun and it's all useful, depending on your situation, YMMV.
No argument about what's "best" (that's personal), it's what works for me (or you) that counts

As Mo said earlier, time to go play

 

[Zachman]

Doesn't it ALL have it's place?

I agree that there's really nothing like plugging into a Full Stack and ripping it up!
I agree that some late night jamming sessions or stages need to be more quiet and it could be that an Axe/Kemper might help

Do these possibly require different tools? It would seem so to me.
Is that cool? Again, it would seem so.
Does this sound better than that, given the situation? It's a matter of opinion, right?

I have too many amp heads
I have too many pre amps
I have too many power amps
I have too many cabs
I have too many effects
I have too many modelers

I am clearly always searching for "the better" mousetrap...always chasing "THE" tone and an easier way to produce it.

IMO, it's all good fun and it's all useful, depending on your situation, YMMV.
No argument about what's "best" (that's personal), it's what works for me (or you) that counts

As Mo said earlier, time to go play

 

[dallasb]

I did. Its a lot different than the Axe II. Just sold that to a friend of mine. Axe FX whether the standard or the new II I had just have its own stamp on the sound it creates. Bugs the hell out of me. I don't like it. The other part I hated was this FRFR trial and error shit. I must have tried every single recommended love fest Powered Cab mentioned on FAS and TGP. They all sucked imo. Now its the new CLR thing. There's another Thousand to add to the same trial and error.

In all my years playing, the only things close to my BOAT expenses has been digital gear. Have to spend thousands in gear and controllers. Then you spend even more on high end amplification Full Range PA crap to use it. It never sounds like any of my amps and cabs.

Kemper is a bit better and works better with my regular guitar cabs. They did something different.

What's funny are the cult following of FAS that say every firmware is the best. I even went back a couple versions because the new stuff added made the rest of what I had worked on impossible to recreate. Then I lol'd at the whole mimic and tonematch attempts to make it Kemperesque. I think that's just more to pacify the fanboys so they don't leave for the competition.

My favorite thing of digital modeling is the humor I get out of the infighting. To them its not digital vs real amps, It's digital vs digital every other thread. LOL. They profess to being satisfied and not tone chasing ever again, but they keep buying more and more FRFR gear, new solid state amps for $1000. LOL

I continue to have my amp preferences though. Out Gigging it's always Iron and Valves and 4x12 cabs.