Who's NOT jumping on the Kemper wagon?

[Zachman]

Guys the 1938 comment was obviously a joke.

I have Bogners,Marshalls,Elmwoods,SLO and a BE100 so I have an idea of what I'm talking about.

I urge you to try a Kemper yourself and if it isn't for you not an issue.
But until you try one your comments are mute.

I look forward to trying one myself, as 1st hand experience can't be achieved any other way-- and I've always been tonally adventurous.

There are a few of us here, who know what we're talking about too. Aside from my own rather vast personal collection of gear, I have a whole guitar store full of stuff too, and as mentioned before-- if I can't apply my own 1st hand experience-- I trust Pats ears, knowledge and experience-- , above all others.

No offense intended

 

[lespaul6]

I will not be jumping on the wagon!

 

[ConcreteVampire]

I am not!

It's Jerry Dyers fault.

And old age...

Ya see I'm very spoiled on that JErry's (Close enough) to me to build and tweek em like I like em. So between what I have stock, VHT 50CL, and Hot Rod 50+, and Jerry's making me exactly what I hear and want, (Dumble and Vox in an 18 watt Combo, and a 50 watt Plexi/jose'd beast) well, I've got every tone "I" could wan't covered. If I REALLY need to get my Recto/Orange/Laney on? I'll play the RP1000 into the Effects return, good enough for the 2 hours that jones last...

The old part is is I rarely play metal or wit heffects anymore, I'm getting into blues in mee twilight years... (45... )
A relatively stock Fender or Gibson, a cord, a cranked amp.

I've gone back in time and I LIKE IT!

 

[freeballinusa]

Jerry, I did not say computer I said CD which is getting phased out RIGHT NOW haha

 

[clark81]

I tried the Kemper 3 times, 2 @ the musikmesse and once @ a friend of mine... I was not impressed...
But when I am looking at these vids, I always like its sound...
Probably I am really sick with my Diezels and my AxeFX II....

BUT

I am not jumping to the Kemper Wagon either...

 

[aftec]

I will not.
Done my path with PODs, AxeFxs, tried the Kemper.
They all can work out well in the studio and probably live where you want the stage silent, but they are nowhere close to the feel of a good amp.
You can get used to them, but if you plug in a good amp, it's no contest.
Of course if you are into compressed sounds or broootz thy can definitely work. If I would tour extensively and using in-ears, and my main concern would be delivering consistent sound each night regardless, would not hesitate to use one.
But not the kemper. It's fookin' ugly.

 

[VESmedic]

Lol... I love these " I tried comments"... I guess the biggest engineers in the world haven't a clue about the "real feel of an amp"....I kinda feel bad for people that don't own one.... Oh well

 

[aftec]

Lol... I love these " I tried comments"... I guess the biggest engineers in the world haven't a clue about the "real feel of an amp"....I kinda feel bad for people that don't own one.... Oh well

Usually they don't give a flying fook about how an amps feels to the player, until it records good, and help them make their job easier.
"Let's not dick around renting an amp X, and a cab X, mike it up, and give it a go, just to try some ideas, let see how my profile works out"

 

[Atropos_Project]

The Kemper turned down retains the thump of a live cranked tube amp.

I don't believe that anything (analog, digital, etc) turned down truly retains that thump, because the thump is due mostly to speakers pushing a lot of air / cabinet resonance, and how ears react to it.

 

[VESmedic]

Lol... I love these " I tried comments"... I guess the biggest engineers in the world haven't a clue about the "real feel of an amp"....I kinda feel bad for people that don't own one.... Oh well

Usually they don't give a flying fook about how an amps feels to the player, until it records good, and help them make their job easier.
"Let's not dick around renting an amp X, and a cab X, mike it up, and give it a go, just to try some ideas, let see how my profile works out"

Thank you for that shocking revelation. You know exactly what I'm saying though... I'm sure when sneap tracked the new testament he was probably just " trying out his profiles ", same with Michael wagoner. Probably the same for suecof on the new deicide, and Richardson on the new carcass, and Lewis on the new whitehapel... Right? Because they don't wanna "dick around", and not waste all this time with these major label artists right? And probably that Steve lukather guy too huh?

 

[VESmedic]

First up the following is for the live playing guitarist.

The kemper is as easy to tweak as an amp because it has the same knobs.
The Kemper is easy on the back.
The Kemper sounds and feels like you're playing a real amp
The kemper takes up less stage and less space in your car.
The Kemper using an FRFR represents exactly what's going out front (A cheap Mackie SRM450 provides outstanding results)
The Kemper lowers your stage volume and gets people off your back about volume
The Kemper turned down retains the thump of a live cranked tube amp.

I certainly appreciate how some need the security of using what they always have and this is why the Kemper doesn't interest them.

I've been playing highend tube amps since 1938 and I too didn't want one but once you play and use the Kemper along with putting in a little effort to understand
it you soon come around.

I'll go out on a limb here and say that the Kemper and its technology IS the future. For those who aren't interested you'll be left behind as times HAVE changed for the live gigging guitarist.

Now before you all want to lynch me I WON'T be selling off my stash of tube amps as I too am still a big fan but ignoring the Kemper is a bad move if you're part of a live gigging band that wants to be the best it can be onstage and out front. And again it also shuts up people on your case about volume.

I’m talking up the Kemper and not, other modellers as I believe the Kemper to be the best of its kind as of today.

You're entitled to your opinions. But i will be the first to point out perception in music is based on user experience not what is actual or factual. Your "plays like a real amp" is not my need for a tight as teen pussy guitar amplifier for the type of music that i play. Also kemper's lack the ability to track that tightly, and noisegates are not the correct manner to mimic it. Digital will always lack the ability to provide the feel needed for inspiration or execution on the end user side, and also perform in the same manner on the back end as well. Tube amps just win here. Always have, and always will. Unlimited design capabilities with class A designs.

Times have indeed changed for the live guitarist. They are getting to the point where they dont exist. DJ's, rap, hip-hop, and dubstep are what is hot. Anyone who cannot come to these terms is truly living inside a box.

For someone who runs 20 pedals, compression, boosts, effects, and more into a tube amplifier to the point it botches the original intended feel then yes i can see where there would be zero felt difference. But this is again based on user experience, not actual technological performance.

I'm sorry, but this has GOT to be in the top 5 biggest Bs posts I've seen in a long time. ... The Kemper can't track that tightly? It fails to inspire on the end user side? What are you even talking about? Lol Jesus, I'm not sure weither I should laugh or flame? That was good stuff man... For real.

 

[aftec]

Sorry man, those days of infinite budgets and major label greatness is gone with the downloads, especially considering metal acts.
Most probably the big time producers you mentioned are using the Kemper as a great tool to expand their armada of tools in reamping and for sure they are experimenting a lot with the Kemper or Axe or whatever else they feel handy. If they say that the new XYZ Studio compressor is the best since the invention of scrambled eggs, you can be sure it's a good tool, but they will not use that exclusively. Don't get into the illusion they track only with a Kemper.
I'm not a session guy, I don't need my perfected profiles to be available on my fingertips do lay down some tracks for a client in the most effective method. (cheap)
I strictly talk about live use.
Let's not try to compare in the room and recorded tones. The Kemper is reproducing the recorded tone, including the mike, the pre anything in the chain.
It can get pretty close to the recorded tone of an amp, but it cannot and never replicate the moving air and the way a pair of human ears capturing that particular sound. That's why it's a perfect tool for engineers, to do the multi sampling (profiling is such a hip word) and replicate the sound of a recorded amp through Neve, API, SSL or whatever pre with the best mikes available in a shed in the middle of the forest.
It's a great tool, but don't tell me it can come anything close to a tube amp blaring next to you. It simply does not.

Peace

 

[VESmedic]

Sorry man, those days of infinite budgets and major label greatness is gone with the downloads, especially considering metal acts.
Most probably the big time producers you mentioned are using the Kemper as a great tool to expand their armada of tools in reamping and for sure they are experimenting a lot with the Kemper or Axe or whatever else they feel handy. If they say that the new XYZ Studio compressor is the best since the invention of scrambled eggs, you can be sure it's a good tool, but they will not use that exclusively. Don't get into the illusion they track only with a Kemper.
I'm not a session guy, I don't need my perfected profiles to be available on my fingertips do lay down some tracks for a client in the most effective method. (cheap)
I strictly talk about live use.
Let's not try to compare in the room and recorded tones. The Kemper is reproducing the recorded tone, including the mike, the pre anything in the chain.
It can get pretty close to the recorded tone of an amp, but it cannot and never replicate the moving air and the way a pair of human ears capturing that particular sound. That's why it's a perfect tool for engineers, to do the multi sampling (profiling is such a hip word) and replicate the sound of a recorded amp through Neve, API, SSL or whatever pre with the best mikes available in a shed in the middle of the forest.
It's a great tool, but don't tell me it can come anything close to a tube amp blaring next to you. It simply does not.

Peace

Some of this makes much more sense than your previous post, I will give you that. Some of these engineers I named I know personally very well, so make no mistake , I am very well aware of why and why they use the Kemper, and why they may not, and I can tell tell it has 100 percent nothing to do with budget. For instance,one artist loved the sound of the miced amp, but wishes it had more pick attack... They profiled it, adjusted the pick attack parameter, and voila... The tone of the album, profiled, and ready to be played live. Say what you want about it being nothing compared to a blaring tube amp next to it, but In regards to live use you and I know both well none of that shit matters. Try and crank your 100 watt tube amp at a gig, and see how happy you make a sound man... The crowd here's the mains, end of story. And I can't tell you how many soundmen I've made good friends with since ownin the kpa. You make their job easy, which gives them more time to make the band sound good... Which is what it's all about right?

 

[VESmedic]

The more I think about it, I think your comment " profiles through high quality mics, preamps ( neve etc) all ran through an ssl board and stored", makes an even stronger case on my opinion wouldn't you agree? Wouldn't you think having THAT signal chain sent directly to the FOH would destroy the asshole soundmen who barely takes the time to put a 57 on your Half stack? I mean think about it.... I know which I prefer after having done both, let's just put it that way....

 

[aftec]

Both of us tried it, we have a different opinion, I respect yours. Whatever sails your ship.
Did a profile of my amp, brought it to a gig with an FRFR monitor and the only thing I felt was, how different it reacts in a live context on stage and how I miss certain aspects of my regular rig. That was the end of it for me. I spent a lot of time dialing the Axe and I did not want to go back there. I plug in, I play and I'm happy.
It's a great tool, but it's not my cup of tea.

 

[Ventura]

sick windsor

 

[Rogue]

Scott Kemperson is back.

 

[VESmedic]

Scott Kemperson is back.

Annndddd the guy with obviously too much time on his hand to follow his favorite Internet guitar forum celebrities is as well. What's on your agenda today? Nothing too productive huh?

 

[Rogue]

Annndddd the guy with obviously too much time on his hand to follow his favorite Internet guitar forum celebrities is as well. What's on your agenda today? Nothing too productive huh?

I do love the juicy irony of someone complaining about someone else posting on the internet....via posting on the internet.

 

[VESmedic]

Annndddd the guy with obviously too much time on his hand to follow his favorite Internet guitar forum celebrities is as well. What's on your agenda today? Nothing too productive huh?

I do love the juicy irony of someone complaining about someone else posting on the internet....via posting on the internet.

Wasn't complaining, making a general statement however... And asked a question.