Why do most newer Marshalls suck?

['63-Strat]

its all about the money thats why marshalls/fender/gibson fucking sucks now

This is pure noobery. And same with the OP.

 

[Mesa\Kramer]

The DSL and JVM are great

If they sucked so bad why would , Bonamassa, Moore (RIP) Gibbons, Gilbert, Jeff Beck, Nuno, etc. have used the DSL as a main part of thier set up during part of the past 10 years?

How ever I still wonder why Marshall has never put out the amp that every other builder has made with a true "Modded JCM 800 or Plexi" type amp (other than the AFD) and affordable

A Vietnam made (Like the DSL) priced Jose' type would just kill

 

[Racerxrated]

Marshall obviously doesn't care about the history they created!!! They don't listen to what people really want. People want the classic designes!!

They have them...1959/87x, JTM 45x, 1974x, 2203x, 2555x...? But I agree a Jose type modded 2 channel plexi/800 would be friggin killer

 

[blackie13]

Marshall obviously doesn't care about the history they created!!! They don't listen to what people really want. People want the classic designes!!

They have them...1959/87x, JTM 45x, 1974x, 2203x, 2555x...? But I agree a Jose type modded 2 channel plexi/800 would be friggin killer

Its called 2203kk...

 

[Bloodrock]

Good old DSL on lead 1 channel with a bit of a boost gets as good of tone as any modded Marshall I've played. The shared eq is the major drawback with dsl's.

 

[Racerxrated]

Marshall obviously doesn't care about the history they created!!! They don't listen to what people really want. People want the classic designes!!

They have them...1959/87x, JTM 45x, 1974x, 2203x, 2555x...? But I agree a Jose type modded 2 channel plexi/800 would be friggin killer

Its called 2203kk...

And thats another really good modern Marshall product. But they aren't 2 channels, and I found I needed a slight boost to tighten it up. I'm talking about a true Jose inspired production amp that is tight without a boost and a true clean channel, with the newer Marshall loop.

 

[RaceU4her]

i always thought the slx was marshalls version of all the "modded" marshalls

 

[aftec]

This is a good description how "modern" Marshalls are made like the 900 series:

That is one of the most ass backwards designs Marshall has ever used! I can only imagine the ONLY reason it was ever put into production was because the employees were sitting around shitfaced drunk, and came up with a this cruel joke: let's make a solid state amp, keep the three preamp valve Marshall appearance, but let's make the valve do absolutely nothing to the sound by padding their input levels to line be it resistive or via primitive solid state clipping diodes, so they cant clip. make them act like third wheels by put them in places they absolutely have no reason to be, and then to add insult to injury add a shit ton of local feedback to each one of them to ensure they do design point a (no clip/coloration) and to make them all sterilizingly linear. Next we mate it to a tube pa that stays pretty clean just to make sure there is no cut in production cost. And then we sell it and sell it hard, and see how many dumb asses buy it.... And like it! And like it enough to warrant a reissue!

That is the only reason I can think of it ever came into existance. They certainly knew they could juice every feature that amp had and still keep an all tube distortion generating signal path. Had to have been a social experiment

 

[Racerxrated]

This is a good description how "modern" Marshalls are made like the 900 series:

That is one of the most ass backwards designs Marshall has ever used! I can only imagine the ONLY reason it was ever put into production was because the employees were sitting around shitfaced drunk, and came up with a this cruel joke: let's make a solid state amp, keep the three preamp valve Marshall appearance, but let's make the valve do absolutely nothing to the sound by padding their input levels to line be it resistive or via primitive solid state clipping diodes, so they cant clip. make them act like third wheels by put them in places they absolutely have no reason to be, and then to add insult to injury add a shit ton of local feedback to each one of them to ensure they do design point a (no clip/coloration) and to make them all sterilizingly linear. Next we mate it to a tube pa that stays pretty clean just to make sure there is no cut in production cost. And then we sell it and sell it hard, and see how many dumb asses buy it.... And like it! And like it enough to warrant a reissue!

That is the only reason I can think of it ever came into existance. They certainly knew they could juice every feature that amp had and still keep an all tube distortion generating signal path. Had to have been a social experiment

That might apply to the 900 series but I think the other amps mentioned are true the the original Marshall circuit roots. 2203x, plexi ri, Jube etc.

 

[errrrrl]

Marshall Mode Four

 

[Bloodrock]

So you guys shit on a real Marshall with solid state circuitry, yet you worship digital Kemper and Axfx crap? What a bunch of fickle retards! The world of guitar is truly doomed. Have fun profiling your axefx patches when there are no more real amp manufacturers left idiots.

 

[godgrinder]

That might apply to the 900 series but I think the other amps mentioned are true the the original Marshall circuit roots. 2203x, plexi ri, Jube etc.

2205/2210 and Jubilees are the same deal basically. Mostly solid state gain paired with clean tube stages.

 

[messenger]

I recall reading somewhere that Mark Cameron is a big fan of the JCM 900. And I don't believe the Jubilee is "mostly solid state gain". There is LED clipping but it can be switched off (but sounds great on).

 

[godgrinder]

And I don't believe the Jubilee is "mostly solid state gain". There is LED clipping but it can be switched off (but sounds great on).

You can switch it out on the rhythm channel, but on the lead channel it's always on.

 

[messenger]

And I don't believe the Jubilee is "mostly solid state gain". There is LED clipping but it can be switched off (but sounds great on).

You can switch it out on the rhythm channel, but on the lead channel it's always on.

Oh ok. It's been a number of years since I've had one. I thought I recalled the LED clip effecting the lead channel too.

 

[Racerxrated]

And I don't believe the Jubilee is "mostly solid state gain". There is LED clipping but it can be switched off (but sounds great on).

You can switch it out on the rhythm channel, but on the lead channel it's always on.

Oh ok. It's been a number of years since I've had one. I thought I recalled the LED clip effecting the lead channel too.

It does..adds more saturation when pulled. So it affects both channels...which suggests to me that the lead channel is all preamp tube gain until you pull the rhythym clip. I like it regardless...and the only similarity a 900 has with a Jubilee or a 2205/10 is the Marshall logo. Tonewise they are not much alike from my experience.

 

[godgrinder]

which suggests to me that the lead channel is all preamp tube gain until you pull the rhythym clip.

It has a combination of diode and LED clipping. The lead channel have LED clipping always on. The "rhythm clip" adds diode clipping.
Still sounds way better than a Dual Reverb 4100 that's for sure.

Two different diode clipping things happening in the Jubilee. Diode clipping always happening on the lead channel. Diode clipping on the Rhythm channel only when the rhythm clip is pulled. Different type clipping circuit than the Jose/VTM type.

There are two diode clipping circuits in the Jube. One is merely two reversed 1N4007 diodes to ground added to the clean channel for your 'Rhythm Clip' mode. This clipping circuit is basically just like the one in a Rat pedal.

The second clipping circuit is for the Lead Channel and consists of two reversed LEDs which are connected together at the 'other' end and this junction is then connected to two reversed 1N4007 diode 'strings' to ground (one 'string' has 2 diodes and the other has only 1). The uneven number of diodes in those 2 strings provides asymmetry.

the preamp OD in a Jube is most certainly created by a combination LED's and diodes. THere is a network of Two 3mm red LEDS's and 3 1N4007 silicon Diodes arranged to create asymetrical clipping (like in many OD pedals). This network is placed between gain stages 2 and 3 and essentially clips the peaks off the waveform. THere is a small capacitor across the whole network that rounds the edges of the waveform to better emulate tube clipping. THe reason the efffects loop in these amps works so well is because it is placed just after this part of the circuit and is dealing with low level signals as opposed to having to attenuate them first. The rhythm clip circuit is a pair of parallel 1N4007 diodes arranged to symetrically clip the waveform, but at a much lesser degree than the other network.

Here's an interesting point, if you remove the clipping stage from a jubilee (I have done this) it's actually a clean amp with no preamp gain at all. The whole design is focussed around that network and all of it's preamp OD comes from those solid state devices. Still if you have a good one, it is a fantastic sounding and feeling amp.

 

[thiswaythatway]

So you guys shit on a real Marshall with solid state circuitry, yet you worship digital Kemper and Axfx crap? What a bunch of fickle retards! The world of guitar is truly doomed. Have fun profiling your axefx patches when there are no more real amp manufacturers left idiots.

I'd take an Axe-Fx or Kemper over most of the shit Marshall is shoveling out these days.

 

[Racerxrated]

which suggests to me that the lead channel is all preamp tube gain until you pull the rhythym clip.

It has a combination of diode and LED clipping. The lead channel have LED clipping always on. The "rhythm clip" adds diode clipping.
Still sounds way better than a Dual Reverb 4100 that's for sure.

Two different diode clipping things happening in the Jubilee. Diode clipping always happening on the lead channel. Diode clipping on the Rhythm channel only when the rhythm clip is pulled. Different type clipping circuit than the Jose/VTM type.

There are two diode clipping circuits in the Jube. One is merely two reversed 1N4007 diodes to ground added to the clean channel for your 'Rhythm Clip' mode. This clipping circuit is basically just like the one in a Rat pedal.

The second clipping circuit is for the Lead Channel and consists of two reversed LEDs which are connected together at the 'other' end and this junction is then connected to two reversed 1N4007 diode 'strings' to ground (one 'string' has 2 diodes and the other has only 1). The uneven number of diodes in those 2 strings provides asymmetry.

the preamp OD in a Jube is most certainly created by a combination LED's and diodes. THere is a network of Two 3mm red LEDS's and 3 1N4007 silicon Diodes arranged to create asymetrical clipping (like in many OD pedals). This network is placed between gain stages 2 and 3 and essentially clips the peaks off the waveform. THere is a small capacitor across the whole network that rounds the edges of the waveform to better emulate tube clipping. THe reason the efffects loop in these amps works so well is because it is placed just after this part of the circuit and is dealing with low level signals as opposed to having to attenuate them first. The rhythm clip circuit is a pair of parallel 1N4007 diodes arranged to symetrically clip the waveform, but at a much lesser degree than the other network.

Here's an interesting point, if you remove the clipping stage from a jubilee (I have done this) it's actually a clean amp with no preamp gain at all. The whole design is focussed around that network and all of it's preamp OD comes from those solid state devices. Still if you have a good one, it is a fantastic sounding and feeling amp.

Good read..cool info! Since I boost any Marshall I've owned, doesn't matter much to me if it has diode/solid state circuitry. If it sounds good, it sounds good.

 

[SpiderWars]

which suggests to me that the lead channel is all preamp tube gain until you pull the rhythym clip.

It has a combination of diode and LED clipping. The lead channel have LED clipping always on. The "rhythm clip" adds diode clipping.
Still sounds way better than a Dual Reverb 4100 that's for sure.

Two different diode clipping things happening in the Jubilee. Diode clipping always happening on the lead channel. Diode clipping on the Rhythm channel only when the rhythm clip is pulled. Different type clipping circuit than the Jose/VTM type.

There are two diode clipping circuits in the Jube. One is merely two reversed 1N4007 diodes to ground added to the clean channel for your 'Rhythm Clip' mode. This clipping circuit is basically just like the one in a Rat pedal.

The second clipping circuit is for the Lead Channel and consists of two reversed LEDs which are connected together at the 'other' end and this junction is then connected to two reversed 1N4007 diode 'strings' to ground (one 'string' has 2 diodes and the other has only 1). The uneven number of diodes in those 2 strings provides asymmetry.

the preamp OD in a Jube is most certainly created by a combination LED's and diodes. THere is a network of Two 3mm red LEDS's and 3 1N4007 silicon Diodes arranged to create asymetrical clipping (like in many OD pedals). This network is placed between gain stages 2 and 3 and essentially clips the peaks off the waveform. THere is a small capacitor across the whole network that rounds the edges of the waveform to better emulate tube clipping. THe reason the efffects loop in these amps works so well is because it is placed just after this part of the circuit and is dealing with low level signals as opposed to having to attenuate them first. The rhythm clip circuit is a pair of parallel 1N4007 diodes arranged to symetrically clip the waveform, but at a much lesser degree than the other network.

Here's an interesting point, if you remove the clipping stage from a jubilee (I have done this) it's actually a clean amp with no preamp gain at all. The whole design is focussed around that network and all of it's preamp OD comes from those solid state devices. Still if you have a good one, it is a fantastic sounding and feeling amp.

Where is that from? I'm 90-something % sure I wrote the Matt3 quote...a long time ago (and a galaxy far away).