Why Paul Bostaph didn’t play on Slayer’s Divine Intervention

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just42dave said:
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I used to love this album but haven't listened for years. Tbf, I'd never noticed some of the sloppiness in the drums, but maybe thats looking at it through a modern lens where its much easier to comp and correct stuff. He sounds like the sort of drummer that drives me nuts to record because all the detail stuff just seems random and spur of the moment.
 
easstudios said:
I used to love this album but haven't listened for years. Tbf, I'd never noticed some of the sloppiness in the drums, but maybe thats looking at it through a modern lens where its much easier to comp and correct stuff. He sounds like the sort of drummer that drives me nuts to record because all the detail stuff just seems random and spur of the moment.
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kinda like Lombardo if ya think about it..
 
Funny, I was with my buds last night and one of them brought up Bostaph’s sloppy playing. I’m not a huge Slayer fan, just enough to know I have a strong preference for Lombardo and I’m a bigger Lombardo fan than I am of Jeff, Kerry or Tom. Buddy showed us clips from this and I was pretty surprised they didn’t even bother fixing this shit in post. The live footage starts somewhere halfway or more into it-



What’s crazy is he’s consistent at higher speeds and the sloppiest shit is the more basic double kick shit, triplets and whatnot. It actually reminds me of what happens when you load drums audio files into Superior Drummer to have it MIDI map them, every hit doesn’t come out perfect and you’ve got to tweak them on the grid, it just doesn’t sound like anyone tweaked them after. A lot of fills are fuckin trainwrecks.
 
RaceU4her said:
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I listen around the 12.35 mark and the double bass is falling apart. Not in time on most of the slow parts.

This is an interesting video of the same song, Divine Intervention. A better recording, yet the kick is completely buried in the mix and sounds sloppy.

 
RaceU4her said:
of course he did lol, its silly we are even discussing this
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I’d question whether Lars played a lot of early Metallica stuff in the studio as well. Did he? He can barely do it on stage decades later. Same thing holds true for Bostaph.
 
RevDrucifer said:
Funny, I was with my buds last night and one of them brought up Bostaph’s sloppy playing. I’m not a huge Slayer fan, just enough to know I have a strong preference for Lombardo and I’m a bigger Lombardo fan than I am of Jeff, Kerry or Tom. Buddy showed us clips from this and I was pretty surprised they didn’t even bother fixing this shit in post. The live footage starts somewhere halfway or more into it-



What’s crazy is he’s consistent at higher speeds and the sloppiest shit is the more basic double kick shit, triplets and whatnot. It actually reminds me of what happens when you load drums audio files into Superior Drummer to have it MIDI map them, every hit doesn’t come out perfect and you’ve got to tweak them on the grid, it just doesn’t sound like anyone tweaked them after. A lot of fills are fuckin trainwrecks.
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Holt bangs his head like an off balance bobble head.
 
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The Reign In Blood tour here in SF (Lombardo on drums) was off the hook

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nightlight said:
I’d question whether Lars played a lot of early Metallica stuff in the studio as well. Did he? He can barely do it on stage decades later. Same thing holds true for Bostaph.
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yeah dude, he did. its called drum editing, you can fix a couple flubbed double pass parts lol
 
nightlight said:
Oh, I already knew that. But do you know where your mother is *right now*?
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Yeah shaft smoke, she's in the studio recording Hannaman's parts on the new album. Seriously, was lead a majority of your diet when u were growing up?
 
RaceU4her said:
yeah dude, he did. its called drum editing, you can fix a couple flubbed double pass parts lol
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The song Whiplash is a classic example of where I think Lars had help, actually. In the intro, there’s a triplet feel with some very nice and subtle dynamics going on with double bass. He doesn’t even attempt to do that live.



I don’t think he could cop it either, just not how he plays and I’ve never seen him attempt it on any other song.

Not that he attempts anything live really. Not even regular double bass.

Exo-metal said:
Yeah shaft smoke, she's in the studio recording Hannaman's parts on the new album. Seriously, was lead a majority of your diet when u were growing up?
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She must be lying to you, there’s no new Slayer album and Kerry King does most of the recording on their newer stuff anyway. She’s lying to you, ask her again nicely and if she doesn’t tell the truth, start getting angry and demand answers :)

Seriously, were you dropped on the head too much as a child? Don’t know what upset you so much about a simple thread, but don’t take it out on me.
 
It's your thread man tard. Maybe you don't realize how it works like the rest of us. You really are too stupid to function. it's more evident with every keystroke you make. Does your head taper when look in the mirror?!
 
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Exo-metal said:
It's your thread man tard. Maybe you don't realize how it works like the rest of us. You really are too stupid to function. it's more evident with every keystroke you make. Does your head taper when look in the mirror?!
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Whatever. Sticks and stones I'm afraid of, but you? Pffft, get a life. The subject was open to discussion with anyone. And it's been civil with everyone else but you, even if there was disagreement.

I like to think I'm entitled to my opinion just like everybody else. Arguing is just part of life, but I don't think you ever emerged from puberty and learnt that fact.

I'd ask what's eating you, but couldn't really care less, and I've seen and dealt with better trolls. I'd rather not stoop down to your level of name calling, so begone, little man.
 
hammered said:
The Reign In Blood tour here in SF (Lombardo on drums) was off the hook

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I was there. Epic night kicking the lights. The ceiling was so low I remember we ripped that place up...there was real blood all over and people needing first aid. The Stone, Omni Mabuay Gardens, Ruthies inn back in the day?
 
nightlight said:
I’m convinced there’s a ghost drummer on Slayer’s Divine Intervention (one of my favourite albums).

Why? Paul Bostaph. His early work with Testament should just about convince everyone that the album was not in his league. Meaning he can just about hold a boom-chick beat and not screw up.

Just listen to how sloppy the kick drum is on this live version of Raining Blood.

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And now listen to this album’s drumming, it’s prog-like in its complexity.



So who was on the album really? Jon Dette? He can play it, but again, the music is not his style. Someone else?

Hell, I’m even convinced Bostaph is merely in big bands so that he can drag down the music and make it sound weak.

Whoever it is, Slayer isn’t talking. They hardly played the album live either, just couldn’t cop it.
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I've never been able to listen to Slayer for very long. I've tried to several times, (and different albums), but I actively disliked what I heard. I'm listening to Divine Intervention album right now and I'm surprised to say that I like it! Very cool stuff on that album. Will wonders never cease. LOL
 
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