xbox360 red ring of death.

[OneArmedScissor]

xbox 360: noisy and unreliable
ps3: way too expensive
wii: quiet, reliable, small, virtual console. honestly, the wii smokes the xbox 360 and ps3

Too bad most Wii games are suited for 9 year olds and the graphics look only slightly better than a PS2.

Manhunt 2? The Godfather? It takes fucked up games to a whole other level. I think there's a distinct reason that in The Godfather, the graphics seemed extra crappy. Had it been REMOTELY realistic, people would have been absolutely up in arms over it. People got pissed enough with older violent games played with a regular controller and obsolete graphics being too life-like. When you use motion sensing to physically act out strangling and torturing people, what do you think they're going to do if it has the modern cutting edge graphics that literally almost look real? Manhunt 2 was rated AO for specifically that reason. They said that the more realistic graphics, combined with acting out the violence, was just too much. Kiddie is not something I would venture to call it.

The graphics may blow in some of them, but I can guarantee you it's because the developers know they don't have to worry about that on the Wii. Wii games tend to be Wii games, not direct ports you go and get for your 360 that you probably already have. On the other side of things, the exclusive selling point between the 360 and PS3 is pretty much the most minute graphical differences at this point, so they have to work their asses off to squeeze out every little last bit of performance.

In a year or so, I bet it looks just as good as the average 360 game. There were Gamecube games that to this day look better than many brand new 360 games, and even the most simplistic Wii games exhibit that it has more capability.

I don't really give a shit which console you like and why, but to discount one just because of its shortcomings in the graphics is to shut your eyes, if you ask me. That train of thought is why the video game industry generally blows today.

 

[Code001]

And OAS brings up a point that really hits a sore spot with me and today's gamers. GRAPHICS DO NOT MAKE THE FUCKING GAME! Just because a game looks better does NOT make it good. I have no idea how that mentality became a part of the gaming community, but it's flat out WRONG. Gameplay and story make a game - graphics are just a helping hand.

 

[mrp5150]

xbox 360: noisy and unreliable
ps3: way too expensive
wii: quiet, reliable, small, virtual console. honestly, the wii smokes the xbox 360 and ps3

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

The only thing the Wii smokes is cock. Sorry dude.

 

[guitar_god123456]

well i love mine so

 

[mrp5150]

I knew some of you would get your panties all twisted over those comments.

But the comment i repsonded to was just as stupid. Let me see them try to run COD4 on the Wii.

They could if they really wanted. They have Manhunt 2 for the PSP, so I'm sure they could port over COD4 to the Wii if they wished.

They could port it over, but there's no chance in hell it would look anything close to the same. Look at Madden '08 for the Wii, it looks exactly like the PS2 and Gamecube versions, not PS3 and 360.

 

[Code001]

I knew some of you would get your panties all twisted over those comments.

But the comment i repsonded to was just as stupid. Let me see them try to run COD4 on the Wii.

They could if they really wanted. They have Manhunt 2 for the PSP, so I'm sure they could port over COD4 to the Wii if they wished.

They could port it over, but there's no chance in hell it would look anything close to the same. Look at Madden '08 for the Wii, it looks exactly like the PS2 and Gamecube versions, not PS3 and 360.

Which has nothing to do with what I said. I simply stated it can be ported over.

 

[mrp5150]

Which has nothing to do with what I said. I simply stated it can be ported over.

No clue why anyone would have any interest in playing a shitty port that wouldn't be anything close to the level of the original game. The Gamecube had Call Of Duty 2 I think, just go back and play that, because that's what COD4 would be on the Wii.

 

[CoachZ]

And OAS brings up a point that really hits a sore spot with me and today's gamers. GRAPHICS DO NOT MAKE THE FUCKING GAME! Just because a game looks better does NOT make it good. I have no idea how that mentality became a part of the gaming community, but it's flat out WRONG. Gameplay and story make a game - graphics are just a helping hand.

It's only that way in North America and Europe. In all seriousness, it's because most people in those regions are easily impressed with better graphics than a better core gameplay. It's not that way in Japan where the Wii and the DS sell like cupcakes as well as the PS2. The reasons why did so well is because of the games available, not the TFLOPs the GPUs can do.

 

[mrp5150]

Graphics can help draw you into the game though, like in Gears Of War. They aren't more important than the gameplay, but when a great game has amazing graphics, it's always going to be better than a great game with average or bad graphics.

 

[OneArmedScissor]

It's only that way in North America and Europe. In all seriousness, it's because most people in those regions are easily impressed with better graphics than a better core gameplay. It's not that way in Japan where the Wii and the DS sell like cupcakes as well as the PS2. The reasons why did so well is because of the games available, not the TFLOPs the GPUs can do.

Oh yeah, well, your avatar sucks. What is that, like 1080i? It doesn't even have a p on the end, it must be a terrible game! I don't even know wtf that means, but I heard that the p is the best games.

 

[moronmountain]

What I don't get is the PS3 is overpriced thing. The 360 Elite is $450 and the PS3 80 gig is $500. That's not too much of a difference IMO.

 

[Code001]

Graphics can help draw you into the game though, like in Gears Of War. They aren't more important than the gameplay, but when a great game has amazing graphics, it's always going to be better than a great game with average or bad graphics.

But great game w/ shitty graphics > awful game w/ amazing graphics

 

[mrp5150]

Graphics can help draw you into the game though, like in Gears Of War. They aren't more important than the gameplay, but when a great game has amazing graphics, it's always going to be better than a great game with average or bad graphics.

But great game w/ shitty graphics > awful game with amazing graphics

I can't really name too many amazing games that have shitty graphics though. The only 3D one I can think of off the top of my head is High Heat Baseball 2003 (I think that's the right year) for PS2. Horrid graphics, but easily the most realistic baseball game ever. And most games that really showcase what a system can do are the big name franchise games that are pretty much all great. Gears Of War, Project Gotham Racing 4, COD 4, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect, etc.

 

[OneArmedScissor]

Graphics can help draw you into the game though, like in Gears Of War. They aren't more important than the gameplay, but when a great game has amazing graphics, it's always going to be better than a great game with average or bad graphics.

There's barely anything to Gears of War, though, both in single and multiplayer.

And in that case, I think the graphics actually go TOO far. You can be in the darkest place, getting blown up left and right, and yet, your armor shines like the freaking sun every time you move an inch. The blood is just freaking weird looking.

I played a Madden game that actually HURT MY EYES, because it was so absurdly shiny that white uniforms on some outside stadium were like light bulbs.

Yeah, it looks a hell of a lot better than most games, but it's gotten to the point now where they're just abusing this stuff, pushing it way too far, and if I may be so bold, very likely sacrificing content of the games to be able to get it done. It takes a LOT of time to make stuff that detailed, and considering how little depth there just about universally is to these sorts of games, I think there's a fair chance that a lot of games are intentionally made with the mind set of pushing the graphics first and foremost.

 

[OneArmedScissor]

What I don't get is the PS3 is overpriced thing. The 360 Elite is $450 and the PS3 80 gig is $500. That's not too much of a difference IMO.

For the longest time, it was $300 for the cheapest 360, and $500 for the cheapest PS3. M$ may be retarded for not really lowering the price, but you can pretty much blame Sony for that. While Sony is aggressively slashing prices and changing things around at all time, M$ can very safely just let it be, because of how badly Sony priced themselves out to start with. Their feet are planted very firmly in the ground, and they have nothing to worry about for a good while to come.

 

[mrp5150]

Graphics can help draw you into the game though, like in Gears Of War. They aren't more important than the gameplay, but when a great game has amazing graphics, it's always going to be better than a great game with average or bad graphics.

There's barely anything to Gears of War, though, both in single and multiplayer.

And in that case, I think the graphics actually go TOO far. You can be in the darkest place, getting blown up left and right, and yet, your armor shines like the freaking sun every time you move an inch. The blood is just freaking weird looking.

Yeah, it looks a hell of a lot better than most games, but it's gotten to the point now where they're just abusing this stuff, pushing it way too far, and if I may be so bold, very likely sacrificing content of the games to be able to get it done. It takes a LOT of time to make stuff that detailed, and considering how little depth there just about universally is to these sorts of games, I think there's a fair chance that a lot of games are intentionally made with the mind set of pushing the graphics first and foremost.

Gears is one of the best action games I've ever played. You aren't even going to be able to keep track of how many new games are going to steal the duck and cover system they used in that game. Only thing I hate is how short it is. If it were about 15-20 hours long it would be one of the best games ever IMO.

 

[OneArmedScissor]

I'd be willing to bet that GoW2 looks nearly identical, but blows it out of the water, because they just basically reuse everything they already did, but add more to the game. That won't be hard, seeing as it's quite on the skimpy side, and I believe intentionally so.

 

[Code001]

Graphics can help draw you into the game though, like in Gears Of War. They aren't more important than the gameplay, but when a great game has amazing graphics, it's always going to be better than a great game with average or bad graphics.

But great game w/ shitty graphics > awful game with amazing graphics

I can't really name too many amazing games that have shitty graphics though. The only 3D one I can think of off the top of my head is High Heat Baseball 2003 (I think that's the right year) for PS2. Horrid graphics, but easily the most realistic baseball game ever. And most games that really showcase what a system can do are the big name franchise games that are pretty much all great. Gears Of War, Project Gotham Racing 4, COD 4, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect, etc.

You're kidding...right?

Zelda
Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy 3
Super Mario Bros
Super Mario Bros 3
Mike Tyson's Punch Out
Contra
Double Dragon 2

That's just a small list for NES....

 

[OneArmedScissor]

I honestly have more fun playing old games with simple graphics that are definitely nowhere near my favorites, than basically any game today. That's my complaint with how things are. The best games are quickly forgotten, because they don't really have being fun in mind. They have holding you over until the shiny new thing comes out next week in mind.

Look at how quickly people moved on from the ZOMG HALO 3 TEH BEZT EVAR BETTER THAN THE LAST BEZT EVAR THING to ZOMG COD4 TEH BEZT EVAR SHITS ALL OVER HALO 3 FORMER TEH BEZT EVAR BETTER THAN ALL PREVIOUS TEH BEZT EVARZ! And I can absolutely guarantee you that there will be several more next month.

 

[CoachZ]

I honestly have more fun playing old games with simple graphics that are definitely nowhere near my favorites, than basically any game today. That's my complaint with how things are. The best games are quickly forgotten, because they don't really have being fun in mind. They have holding you over until the shiny new thing comes out next week in mind.

Look at how quickly people moved on from the ZOMG HALO 3 TEH BEZT EVAR BETTER THAN THE LAST BEZT EVAR THING to ZOMG COD4 TEH BEZT EVAR SHITS ALL OVER HALO 3 FORMER TEH BEZT EVAR BETTER THAN ALL PREVIOUS TEH BEZT EVARZ! And I can absolutely guarantee you that there will be several more next month.

Ditto. Vive le SNES!