So, how about that Alec Baldwin?

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Findthetone1 said:
Dude, what the fuck is up with your avatar? Look at those psycho eyes on that chick! That's a serial killer if I've ever seen one :oops:
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Hehehe, I was gonna ask the same thing, FTT?
I just noticed it this morning, and almost spit my coffee up?
 
Funniest thing about this is that only a handful of members know what Jack's up to.

Everyone else just thinks he's promoting Bud Gay since he has a trans as an avatar.

YOU GO JACK! Wave that freak flag dude! :ROFLMAO:
 
I haven’t followed this one much, not much of an Alec fan, Stephen kicks his ass just for Usual Suspects alone.

I’ve got nothin‘ against guns, I grew up in Maine where it was weird to not see a gun cabinet in a house or a rifle in the window of a pickup truck and most of us were shooting or had our own .22’s before we were 10. Reading about shit like this and the responses to it blows my fucking mind. I knew at 8 to never point a gun at another person unless I needed to kill that person and that shit wasn’t taken lightly, you’d get your ass beat for that.

The idea that actors shouldn’t be included in the safety aspects of gun handling is fucking absurd. These aren’t “prop guns”, they’re fucking guns, period. ANYONE handling a gun should have safety training, never mind pointing it at someone at firing the fucking thing, actor or not.

I run a huge commercial campus, mostly the maintenance department, safety is a huge part of my job. My staff aren’t electricians, but they sure as fuck know the proper protocols for working with electricity. Our tenants aren’t safety coordinators, but they sure as fuck know where they’re supposed to go in the event of an emergency.

No clue how they run sh*t on sets, but it seems it’d be easy enough to have a sign-off sheet in place before/after each scene is shot; gun safety dude, actor and director all sign it stating that a live gun is on set, they’ve checked the gun for blanks, then sign it again after the scene stating the blanks are spent and the gun is safely stored. 60 seconds of extra “work” can go a long way in keeping people not-dead. At the very least, it’s a Cover Your Ass sign-off sheet for shit like this.
 
Donnie B said:
Funniest thing about this is that only a handful of members know what Jack's up to.

Everyone else just thinks he's promoting Bud Gay since he has a trans as an avatar.

YOU GO JACK! Wave that freak flag dude! :ROFLMAO:
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Funniest thing about this is, I don’t give a shit what ‘Everyone else’ thinks. :hys:

Anything I can do to help the cause, Donnie!
Love it?
I will wave ‘your flag’ with pride?

All for you, Dude, my favourite Troll :hys:
 
RevDrucifer said:
I haven’t followed this one much, not much of an Alec fan, Stephen kicks his ass just for Usual Suspects alone.

I’ve got nothin‘ against guns, I grew up in Maine where it was weird to not see a gun cabinet in a house or a rifle in the window of a pickup truck and most of us were shooting or had our own .22’s before we were 10. Reading about shit like this and the responses to it blows my fucking mind. I knew at 8 to never point a gun at another person unless I needed to kill that person and that shit wasn’t taken lightly, you’d get your ass beat for that.

The idea that actors shouldn’t be included in the safety aspects of gun handling is fucking absurd. These aren’t “prop guns”, they’re fucking guns, period. ANYONE handling a gun should have safety training, never mind pointing it at someone at firing the fucking thing, actor or not.

I run a huge commercial campus, mostly the maintenance department, safety is a huge part of my job. My staff aren’t electricians, but they sure as fuck know the proper protocols for working with electricity. Our tenants aren’t safety coordinators, but they sure as fuck know where they’re supposed to go in the event of an emergency.

No clue how they run sh*t on sets, but it seems it’d be easy enough to have a sign-off sheet in place before/after each scene is shot; gun safety dude, actor and director all sign it stating that a live gun is on set, they’ve checked the gun for blanks, then sign it again after the scene stating the blanks are spent and the gun is safely stored. 60 seconds of extra “work” can go a long way in keeping people not-dead. At the very least, it’s a Cover Your Ass sign-off sheet for shit like this.
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Remember, Hollyweird is a world of entitlement and no self accountability. I do agree that any film set that will include the use of firearms, prop or real should have at least a full day of safety training. I'd be hard pressed to believe something like this would ever happen to Keanu Reeves.
 
RevDrucifer said:
I haven’t followed this one much, not much of an Alec fan, Stephen kicks his ass just for Usual Suspects alone.

I’ve got nothin‘ against guns, I grew up in Maine where it was weird to not see a gun cabinet in a house or a rifle in the window of a pickup truck and most of us were shooting or had our own .22’s before we were 10. Reading about shit like this and the responses to it blows my fucking mind. I knew at 8 to never point a gun at another person unless I needed to kill that person and that shit wasn’t taken lightly, you’d get your ass beat for that.

The idea that actors shouldn’t be included in the safety aspects of gun handling is fucking absurd. These aren’t “prop guns”, they’re fucking guns, period. ANYONE handling a gun should have safety training, never mind pointing it at someone at firing the fucking thing, actor or not.

I run a huge commercial campus, mostly the maintenance department, safety is a huge part of my job. My staff aren’t electricians, but they sure as fuck know the proper protocols for working with electricity. Our tenants aren’t safety coordinators, but they sure as fuck know where they’re supposed to go in the event of an emergency.

No clue how they run sh*t on sets, but it seems it’d be easy enough to have a sign-off sheet in place before/after each scene is shot; gun safety dude, actor and director all sign it stating that a live gun is on set, they’ve checked the gun for blanks, then sign it again after the scene stating the blanks are spent and the gun is safely stored. 60 seconds of extra “work” can go a long way in keeping people not-dead. At the very least, it’s a Cover Your Ass sign-off sheet for shit like this.
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Sounds like we do similar work. Everything we do takes twice as long but it's always done the safest way possible. "safety is everyone's responsibility" isn't just a cool poster that hangs in every single shop
 
Findthetone1 said:
Remember, Hollyweird is a world of entitlement and no self accountability. I do agree that any film set that will include the use of firearms, prop or real should have at least a full day of safety training. I'd be hard pressed to believe something like this would ever happen to Keanu Reeves.
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I think a big issue is contained right in your post, “prop or real”, they’re both real guns, the only difference is the ammunition put in them. I didn’t even known that until a few years back. The phrase “prop gun” gives the automatic idea the gun is fake or isn’t capable of killing someone. I know some are modified to not be able to fire and they add the flame/smoke in post, but if they’re using actual guns on set with blanks, they should really be calling them guns and not prop guns.
 
RevDrucifer said:
I think a big issue is contained right in your post, “prop or real”, they’re both real guns, the only difference is the ammunition put in them. I didn’t even known that until a few years back. The phrase “prop gun” gives the automatic idea the gun is fake or isn’t capable of killing someone. I know some are modified to not be able to fire and they add the flame/smoke in post, but if they’re using actual guns on set with blanks, they should really be calling them guns and not prop guns.
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Yep, even a blank can kill or cause serious injury if it's close enough to a person.
 
Not defending Baldwin. From what I've heard there should be no cast or crew behind a camera when a firearm is pointed at it. The victims should've known better. Also, from what I've heard, the armorer is the last one required to confirm that the firearm is loaded with blanks.

You can blame whoever you want but according to my understanding of current protocol the guilty parties are the victims and the armorer.  Rules should be changed so that the armorer and whoever is firing the gun have to confirm that it's only loaded with blanks immediately prior to the scene being shot.

As for him claiming he didn't pull the trigger supposedly it had been modified in a way that could cause it to fire by just cocking the hammer. Not saying any of this is fact I'm just loosely paraphrasing what I've read/heard from memory. Not sure how much is correct. Just some things to consider.
 
On March 31, 1993, Lee was filming a scene for the film The Crow in which his character is shot and killed by thugs. In the scene, Lee's character walks into his apartment and discovers his fiancée being beaten and raped, and a thug played by actor Michael Massee fires a Smith & Wesson Model 629 .44 Magnum revolver at Lee's character as he walks into the room.

In a film shoot prior to the fatal scene, the gun that was used as a prop (a real revolver) was loaded with improperly made dummy rounds, improvised from live cartridges that had the powder charges removed by the special effects crew, so in close-ups the revolver would show normal-looking ammunition. However, the crew neglected to remove the primers from the cartridges, and at some point before the fatal event, one of the rounds had been fired. Although there were no powder charges, the energy from the ignited primer was enough to separate the bullet from the casing and push it part-way into the gun barrel, where it got stuck—a dangerous condition known as a squib load.

During the fatal scene, which called for the revolver to be fired at Lee from a distance of 3.6–4.5 meters (12–15 ft), the dummy cartridges were replaced with blank rounds, which contained a powder charge and the primer, but no solid bullet, allowing the gun to be fired with sound and flash effects without the risk of an actual projectile. However, the gun was not properly checked and cleared before the blank was fired, and the dummy bullet previously lodged in the barrel was then propelled forward by the blank's propellant and shot out the muzzle with almost the same force as if the round were live, striking Lee in the abdomen.
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So much human error involved.
 
^that's not nice

Alec Baldwin is back in the hot seat on fresh charges, after being dismissed earlier this year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/2024/01/19/alec-baldwin-rust-indicted/

"The document lists two counts of involuntary manslaughter. The main count claims the actor negligently handled the prop gun. An alternative count says Baldwin caused Hutchins’s death “with the total disregard or indifference for the safety of others.”

Not sure how a prop gun can kill people but whatever. Forensics proved that he pulled the trigger on the "prop gun", even though he said he did not pull the trigger. He is the Producer of the film as well as the lead actor that obviously didn't check the weapon, I mean prop, before pulling the trigger.
 
He is a shithead but it's the armorers fault for being retarded. I guess he is culpable if he hired her though.
 
Laputan Machine said:
He is a shithead but it's the armorers fault for being retarded.
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Along with the victim. AFAIK, protocol says that nobody should be behind the camera if the gun is to be pointed at it and fired.

Rules should be that ANYONE handling the gun should have to make sure the gun is only loaded with blanks, not just the armorer. Everyone involved right down to the last person handling the gun.
 
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