THE OCT CUTTIN CORRAL - Come Hang Out For A Whilst and talk about Retards and dumb shit…

[Bad Brain]

Yeah, no provocative outfits or anything overtly sexual at these story hour events...


Just a bunch of very well-rounded, mentally healthy people I'd like my children to be exposed to

Even the kid looks a little freaked out ?

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Yeah, haven't you noticed the hubbub? And I also am leery because I believe it is intentional and strategic, as in social engineering. As for the merits of the "Movement," I think it's a mixed bag, honestly. I acknowledge some positive aspects that I fully support. I think it should come to this: if you want to take your kids, fine, but don't start trying to take other people kids as well, or start judging their parents if they don't want them to go. And do it in a private venue, not library or school.

I’ve really only noticed it here to be honest. I have done work in school systems over the years and I’ve certainly noticed a trend in teaching “inclusion”, but it has all been far from “forced”.
I guess I would need to have more information on the story hour stuff. I’d be shocked if anything was mandatory for kids at such a young age, not just drag stuff. Teachers don’t even have classes outside without an email asking for permission first.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Even the kid looks a little freaked out ?

That is most certainly not drag story hour though.

 

[watson503]

That is most certainly not drag story hour though.

It may not be a drag queen story time event but these are the types one will find there. Also, that kid was 9 when the photo was taken and his stage name is “Lactatia”...

 

[paulyc]

My stepson was in grade school and had a classmate that, at about 8 years old, was obviously SUPER effeminate and even flamboyant. He wore goth gender neutral clothing and heavy femme makeup, even to school, later on (high school). But even back in grade school, it was obvious. The school created a program that hoped to educate and diffuse the situation (this kid put up with THE WORST hazing and bullying I’ve ever heard of. Constantly beat up, stuffed in a locker, trash can, verbal abuse/assault, etc. It was super sad. His dad was a really nice guy, tough guy, football coach, etc. His parent divorced when he was young and his mom was a fucking piece of work. Floozy doesn’t begin to describe her. Anyway, while I definitely felt for this kid, the program the school created went too far in my mind, calling attention to the problem and making little kids aware of choices they shouldn’t even have to think about at that age. I don’t have an answer about how they should have handled it. You couldn’t be human if you didn’t feel bad for this kid. He’s fine now, out in the real world doing makeup for pop stars etc, but his childhood was ROUGH to say the least.

 

[paulyc]

I agree with a lot of that, but from what I have seen, for the sake of staying on topic to exclusively “drag story hour”, their outfits do not seem to be provocative or akin to what they would wear to perform. It’s more like dressing up as characters from the stories they are reading.

I dont think if a woman or a teacher wore these outfits to read to a class, anyone would bat an eye

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Super cringe

 

[Dan Gleesak]

It may not be a drag queen story time event but these are the types one will find there. Also, that kid was 9 when the photo was taken and his stage name is “Lactatia”...

Nope, that’s just bullshit projection. I have been very clear and intent on sticking to drag story hour for this entire thread. And posts like yours help strengthen my argument that people who are against drag story hour, are imagining their own vision of what drag is, and not what is happening during story hour.

 

[Bad Brain]

It may not be a drag queen story time event but these are the types one will find there. Also, that kid was 9 when the photo was taken and his stage name is “Lactatia”...

Okay, wish I hadn't googled that. So much for not sexualizing children: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_Kids

 

[MadAsAHatter]

I want to interject real quick here to say it's a nice change of pace to see a controversial topic like this go for so many pages without it devolving into petty back and forth name calling. It just proves that the majority of members here can have an overall civil discussion even if they don't agree on matters.

Hopefully I didn't just jinx everything...

 

[watson503]

Nope, that’s just bullshit projection. I have been very clear and intent on sticking to drag story hour for this entire thread. And posts like yours help strengthen my argument that people who are against drag story hour, are imagining their own vision of what drag is, and not what is happening during story hour.

Yeah, it is just bullshit projection and totally nothing wrong with what goes on there or inside the poor kid's heads who are dragged to these events by their warped parents.



Drag pedagogy: The playful practice of queer imagination in early childhood
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03626784.2020.1864621

 

[Bad Brain]

Previously, when I talked about the implicit message of storytime drag being, "This is an option," I was actually thinking when they're older... Not sure how these drag kids parents are okay with it. Maybe they like the attention of our insane cheerleading media? Regardless, it proves the point of the detractors.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Yeah, it is just bullshit projection and totally nothing wrong with what goes on there or inside the poor kid's heads who are dragged to these events by their warped parents.



Drag pedagogy: The playful practice of queer imagination in early childhood
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03626784.2020.1864621

You should probably read the entire article and not just the tweet.
It’s pretty well written and doesn’t really align with anything you’ve posted

 

[watson503]

You should probably read the entire article and not just the tweet.
It’s pretty well written and doesn’t really align with anything you’ve posted

I did read the article and not just the tweet and posted it for the very content it holds. You don't have a problem with this stuff at all, really? Not to be a dick but the queer lifestyle isn't all rainbows and fun stuff - it is very dark and twisted and not something anyone should wish on anyone, let alone children.

We are guided by the following question: what might Drag Queen Story Hour offer educators as a way of bringing queer ways of knowing and being into the education of young children?

 

[watson503]

To give some insight, growing-up, my mom ran a hair salon outside of the Monstrose area of Houston. All of her best friends were gay so over the years I got a lot of insight into the community. If you were to ask those people, they would have told you the last thing they would want is for their kids to have to endure being as they were and the shit they dealt with. Anyway, I'm out for now, got to get some practice in and run some errands.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

I did read the article and not just the tweet and posted it for the very content it holds. You don't have a problem with this stuff at all, really? Not to be a dick but the queer lifestyle isn't all rainbows and fun stuff - it is very dark and twisted and not something anyone should wish on anyone, let alone children.

I don’t read that as “teaching kids to be queer”
I see it as teaching kids that queer is a lifestyle they will come across their entire lives and it’s something that they should understand. Many of the kids may already have gay parents.
Huge difference in my mind

 

[Ben Waylin]

If you were to ask those people, they would have told you the last thing they would want is for their kids to have to endure being as they were and the shit they dealt with.

Sounds like a real pain in the ass.

 

[paulyc]

To give some insight, growing-up, my mom ran a hair salon outside of the Monstrose area of Houston. All of her best friends were gay so over the years I got a lot of insight into the community. If you were to ask those people, they would have told you the last thing they would want is for their kids to have to endure being as they were and the shit they dealt with. Anyway, I'm out for now, got to get some practice in and run some errands.

That’s a pretty fucked up way to think about gay or queer lifestyle, it’s only as dark as your choices make if, no different than any other lifestyle choice, and it shows your mindset about queer.

 

[Bad Brain]

I don’t read that as “teaching kids to be queer”

I dunno, I'm not going to read the whole thing but this was only a few paragraphs in:

"We are guided by the following question: what might Drag Queen Story Hour offer educators as a way of bringing queer ways of knowing and being into the education of young children?"

"Ultimately, we suggest that drag pedagogy offers one model for learning not simply about queer lives, but how to live queerly."

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03626784.2020.1864621

 

[Bad Brain]

Not trying to psychoanalyze, but kinda think @Aynirar27 is in denial

 

[Dan Gleesak]

I dunno, I'm not going to read the whole thing but this was only a few paragraphs in:

"We are guided by the following question: what might Drag Queen Story Hour offer educators as a way of bringing queer ways of knowing and being into the education of young children?"

"Ultimately, we suggest that drag pedagogy offers one model for learning not simply about queer lives, but how to live queerly."

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03626784.2020.1864621

I still don’t really think that means teaching anyone how to be attracted to someone of the same sex. They aren’t trying to make anyone gay.