For all you "VACCINE IS CAUSING BILLIONS OF DEATHS!!!!" People......

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psychodave said:
I can't relate. I live in a free country.

My 97 year old neighbor was out twice a day. :dunno: I would talk to him and his wife everyday like have have for decades.
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No you don't live in a free country. California has more restrictive motorcycle laws and emissions laws than here. So I have more freedom here. I have a nice loud pipe on my motorcycle with no catalytic converter. Freedom depends on the topic it seems. So stick that up your uncle sam and smoke it.
 
Thumbpicker said:
No you don't live in a free country. California has more restrictive motorcycle laws and emissions laws than here. So I have more freedom here. I have a nice loud pipe on my motorcycle with no catalytic converter. Freedom depends on the topic it seems. So stick that up your uncle sam and smoke it.
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lol

In my state, not Commiefornia, I can buy a gun and a conceal carry permit in a single day. ?
 
psychodave said:
lol

In my state, not Commiefornia, I can buy a gun and a conceal carry permit in a single day. ?
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You're lucky you live in a sub sector with different rules. Depends on whether you are a communist state in the USA or not ;-) Also we are allowed to lane split on our motorcycles... Apparently many of you aren't free enough to do that either ;-)
 
Thumbpicker said:
How about people that live in flats/units. People in Australia were locked down hard for ages. We couldn't even move out of our local government area or go out of the house unless it was shopping or to work for a while.
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When we were kids growing up curfew bells were there to remind us that it was time to get our kicks running from the police and doing petty crap. You have to bow up against a system that tries to boss you.
 
Racerxrated said:
Nope. Sorry. Don't get your facts mixed up with Right wing extremist fake news sites. Just some advice. Next thing you know, you'll turn in to ccn. And no one wants that.
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/06/s...did-not-show-vaccines-increase-covid-19-risk/
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The study's data shows what it shows.........the Cleveland Clinic is not a right wing extremist news site. I'm not personally attacking you.... I think most people are capable of reviewing the data and don't look to a fact check to interpret the data for them. Now if you don't like what the study's data shows then of course you are free to choose to interpret the data in line with what the fact checkers say. The VAERS and VSAFE both CDC and NIH programs also show 30 year HISTORICAL safety signals that were absolutely ignored.

Remember you were told if you got the injection you absolutely would not get covid or transmitt covid. I think you should be more mad at the people who lied to you. I think enough videos of Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci and Rochelle Walensky making these claims then having to admit the injections were no longer working yet they promise the new ones with supposedly exact same technology will work this time and the current ones will also fail exactly like the bi-valent boosters did. You do realize that Pfizer was forced to release by court order it's intial study data that they wanted to keep from public view for 75 years.......that's not suspicious at all.......


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harddriver said:
The study's data shows what it shows.........the Cleveland Clinic is not a right wing extremist news site. I'm not personally attacking you.... I think most people are capable of reviewing the data and don't look to a fact check to interpret the data for them. Now if you don't like what the study's data shows then of course you are free to choose to interpret the data in line with what the fact checkers say. The VAERS and VSAFE both CDC and NIH programs also show 30 year HISTORICAL safety signals that were absolutely ignored.

Remember you were told if you got the injection you absolutely would not get covid or transmitt covid. I think you should be more mad at the people who lied to you. I think enough videos of Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci and Rochelle Walensky making these claims then having to admit the injections were no longer working yet they promise the new ones with supposedly exact same technology will work this time and the current ones will also fail exactly like the bi-valent boosters did. You do realize that Pfizer was forced to release by court order it's intial study data that they wanted to keep from public view for 75 years.......that's not suspicious at all.......


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I'm not mad at anyone. I had Covid in Nov of 2020; 6 months before I 'had' to get the vaccine. I never got Covid again. There is an obvious right wing extremist mission if you will to discredit and paint the vaccine as somehow 'unsafe' or 'dangerous', even going so far as to suggest it is actually killing people at a high rate. That study, when you read about the fact check just simply doesn't say anything like what the 'right' says to any degree of certainty; like they suggest. It's similar to the other 'chart' someone posted which again, showed the numbers of ALL deaths from many different age groups. It's nothing more than a scare tactic full of fake news.

Again, my only point here in this thread was to point out that IF the vaccine IS causing deaths, at a high rate as the right wing extremists say, then the daily death rate for the year 2022 would be as high or even higher than 2021...esp since over 270,000,000 US citizens have gotten one form of the vaccine. But the daily death rate went down significantly for 2022, proving that the vaccine is NOT causing a large number of deaths.

And, it's also significant to see that the stupid thread suggesting that the vaccine was causing all these deaths was removed from this sub forum. That says everything Imo. Especially since one of the so called 'obituaries' was of someone I knew, who died at age 45...suddenly.........
But that will happen when you hit a tree going 50 mph on a snowmobile in Wisconsin. Not from the fucking vaccine. Proving yet again, that the right wing extremists are just utterly FULL OF SHIT.
 
Racerxrated said:
then the daily death rate for the year 2022 would be as high or even higher than 2021
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Why? Per your data, the death rate was higher in 2021, the year of vaccination. And it was higher in 2022 —when not as many doses were administered — than 2020, the year of the pandemic. I mean, what the actual fuck, as they say…
 
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denialist said:
Why? Per your data, the death rate was higher in 2021, the year of vaccination. And it was higher in 2022 than 2020, the year of the pandemic.
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???
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Not sure if you are just not actually reading anything I posted? Or what...but I'll refresh your memory....

2020 USA deaths-9202 per day.
2021 USA deaths-9491 per day.
2022 USA deaths-8969 per day.

It would seem that by the beginning of 2022 most people have been vaccinated, yet where are the 'increased deaths' related to the vaccine??
There aren't any...in fact, the death rate WENT DOWN.
For the most part they are fairly consistent...but this doesn't fit that anti vaccine theory does it?
Nah.

These are the numbers. As you can see, 2022 had the FEWEST number of deaths per day. Yet, by sometime it 2022 270 million people in the US had been vaccinated...if the vaccine caused all these deaths (peeps here were claiming funeral homes were overflowing lol) then why did the rate go down? Because it WASN'T causing all these huge numbers of deaths.

Just more fake news bullshit from the right, that is obviously WRONG.
 
Racerxrated said:
Not sure if you are just not actually reading anything I posted? Or what...but I'll refresh your memory....
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Yes I did read, You’re right about 2022, I stand corrected.
Racerxrated said:
..if the vaccine caused all these deaths (peeps here were claiming funeral homes were overflowing lol) then why did the rate go down?
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Well, one possibility is that the virus took out the most susceptible people, whom otherwise might not have died, reducing the death rate in subsequent years.

Regardless, I never argued that the vaccine killed “billions.” I will argue that it can be deadly, and even if that meant 50, that’s 50 too many, given that the vaccine can’t be said to have done much otherwise.
 
Racerxrated said:
It would seem that by the beginning of 2022 most people have been vaccinated, yet where are the 'increased deaths' related to the vaccine??
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2021, the year people were vaccinated, and the highest death rate year of the three in question, including 2020, the year the SARS-COV-19 ( As in 2019) pandemic began. You’re arguing that it makes sense that the year after the pandemic, the year when the vaccine was administered, was the most deadly. Onus is on you to explain.
 
denialist said:
2021, the year people were vaccinated, and the highest death rate year of the three in question, including 2020, the year the SARS-COV-19 ( As in 2019) pandemic began. You’re arguing that it makes sense that the year after the pandemic, the year when the vaccine was administered, was the most deadly. Onus is on you to explain.
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I'm starting to think the vaxxine destroys these people's ability to think straight.

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denialist said:
2021, the year people were vaccinated, and the highest death rate year of the three in question, including 2020, the year the SARS-COV-19 ( As in 2019) pandemic began. You’re arguing that it makes sense that the year after the pandemic, the year when the vaccine was administered, was the most deadly. Onus is on you to explain.
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Again, we in the midwest did NOT get the vaccine until mid March 2021. And that was only the Pfizer version. The others took longer to get here. It wasn't given throughout the country until early summer, all 3 versions. So when you say 2021 was the 'year people were vaccinated' you're only half right. In 2020, again the Covid virus was not fully spread throughout the country until late spring. So 'full year' absolutes for the virus/vaccine aren't really achievable with exception for 2022; when I'd imagine everyone would have been vaccinated by then.
2021 is clearly the year it was most deadly because
A. The vaccines weren't readily available throughout the country until early summer.
B. By 2021 the Covid virus had been raging throughout the whole country, vs 2020 where it didn't hit us in the midwest until late spring/early summer.

Makes sense to me.
 
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