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Aynirar27 said:
That would be great if more women did find a way to “control access” better. But not because it should be that way, it would be our necessity due to irresponsible partners
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not exactly; but keep giving women support for irresponsibility and not having agency; they're women who really don't know what they're doing, right? ?
 
acceptance said:
Coercion accounts for 80% of the rapes in this study (4,877,000 of 5,935,000 pregnancies).
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I find most studies of this sort to be highly irrelevant. Look up studies how many rapes are actually reported. It’s like covid cases.
Also the famous “5%” study was in my opinion quite small and also almost 20 years ago.
It also concluded that rape and rape related pregnancies are a serious issue. So hearing it as “only 5%” is laughable
 
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Aynirar27 said:
You comparing a sexual partner to a passenger in a car.
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exactly. which is more likely than cars with two sets of controls.

The driver, the woman, has control of who gets in her car / who has intercourse with her; the guy is going along for the ride (invited / allowed inside her car / her body).

Women sleep with who they want; men will sleep with who they can. (and yes it's a generalization that's mostly true, but not absolute...before you bring out your list of outliers that are exceptions)
 
Aynirar27 said:
I find most studies of this sort to be highly irrelevant. Look up studies how many rapes are actually reported. It’s like covid cases.
Also the famous “5%” study was in my opinion quite small and also almost 20 years ago.
It also concluded that rape and rape related pregnancies are a serious issue. So hearing it as “only 5%” is laughable
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Well what study are you talking about? This one is from 2024 and gave rise to the "6 Million pregnancies" which I thought sounded hella high. Again, a 'reported rape' might not be a rape depending on the criteria.
 
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rsm said:
not exactly; but keep giving women support for irresponsibility and not having agency; they're women who really don't know what they're doing, right? ?
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Well to tie in to my equally ridiculous discussion about sexual education, no, some of them do not know what they are doing. Not because they are women but because society has failed them.


But to tie back to the original point, if you think women are responsible for their pregnancy then you must also believe they are responsible in deciding whether to terminate or not right? I mean how could you not
 
acceptance said:
Well what study are you talking about? This one is from 2024 and gave rise to the "6 Million pregnancies" which I thought sounded hella high.
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I was talking about the one that RSM keeps brining up. You are correct that basically every study since has shown exponentially higher numbers
 
Aynirar27 said:
I was talking about the one that RSM keeps brining up. You are correct that basically every study since has shown exponentially higher numbers
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Thats the one where 80% of the 'rapes' might not be rapes, depending on what constitutes coercion.
 
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exactly. which is more likely than cars with two sets of controls.

The driver, the woman, has control of who gets in her car / who has intercourse with her; the guy is going along for the ride (invited / allowed inside her car / her body).

Women sleep with who they want; men will sleep with who they can. (and yes it's a generalization that's mostly true, but not absolute...before you bring out your list of outliers that are exceptions)
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lol so you are saying that pregnancies related to rape should be seen as an outlier in a discussion about abortion? Fuck sakes dude
 
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Aynirar27 said:
Well to tie in to my equally ridiculous discussion about sexual education, no, some of them do not know what they are doing. Not because they are women but because society has failed them.


But to tie back to the original point, if you think women are responsible for their pregnancy then you must also believe they are responsible in deciding whether to terminate or not right? I mean how could you not
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single mothers begat single mothers begat single mothers... not surprising knowledge is being passed down the maternal generations.

As I said, women have control of who they allow inside of them and under what conditions; they also have the responsibility of the outcome. And we all know that only women can legally commit murder if it's their unborn children. But it's pretty sad to use murder of an unborn for failing to avoid or prevent a pregnancy in the first place. Murder for inconvenience is still murder. Karma comes for us all; eventually.
 
Aynirar27 said:
lol so you are saying that pregnancies related to rape should be seen as an outlier in a discussion about abortion? Fuck sakes dude
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when it's 5% or less of total pregnancies, yes. I didn't say anything about abortion; again my original point was women control access to sex, and therefore have more responsibility for how it happens, the conditions under which it happens, and the outcomes. You keep bringing in other factors such as rape, abortion, etc. not me. i.e., moving the goalpost.

When 95%+ of sex between woman and man is consensual, yes the woman has greater responsibility than the man since she ultimately controls access to sex and who she allows inside her, and the conditions for intercourse. You keep stating a man has equal responsibility; I disagree since the man does not control access, or the terms and conditions for intercourse. Pretty simple and straightforward, as I said; unless you deny women's agency and responsibility.

Back to your topic of abortion; the fact is that more unborn babies are murdered in the womb for (in)convenience of the mother, than for the health of the mother or for rape, combined (these are both outliers vs the majority of abortions); but since you don't like my statistics you can find your own for this statement.
 
acceptance said:
But the man controls his own dick. Well... you know what I mean.
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True; but if a guy has been pursuing a woman and gets a chance, not many would say no to the opportunity when available. That's also part of the equation. Many women know or believe, "men only want one thing" which is generally true; so knowing that should be factored in to her decisions for allowing access to sex.

If men, in general, had the same control over access to sex as women, I'd agree both would be equally responsible. That's not reality except for maybe the top 5% to 1% of men. As long as women have control of access, they also have more responsibility for outcomes.
 
rsm said:
when it's 5% or less of total pregnancies, yes. I didn't say anything about abortion; again my original point was women control access to sex, and therefore have more responsibility for how it happens, the conditions under which it happens, and the outcomes. You keep bringing in other factors such as rape, abortion, etc. not me. i.e., moving the goalpost.

When 95%+ of sex between woman and man is consensual, yes the woman has greater responsibility than the man since she ultimately controls access to sex and who she allows inside her, and the conditions for intercourse. You keep stating a man has equal responsibility; I disagree since the man does not control access, or the terms and conditions for intercourse. Pretty simple and straightforward, as I said; unless you deny women's agency and responsibility.

Back to your topic of abortion; the fact is that more unborn babies are murdered in the womb for (in)convenience of the mother, than for the health of the mother or for rape, combined (these are both outliers vs the majority of abortions); but since you don't like my statistics you can find your own for this statement.
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But your “original point” was in response to my post about abortion. You then proceeded to accuse me of moving the goalposts when I didn’t want move to where you were trying to sway it, which was a place completely void of usable data.
 
rsm said:
True; but if a guy has been pursuing a woman and gets a chance, not many would say no to the opportunity when available. That's also part of the equation. Many women know or believe, "men only want one thing" which is generally true; so knowing that should be factored in to her decisions for allowing access to sex.

If men, in general, had the same control over access to sex as women, I'd agree both would be equally responsible. That's not reality except for maybe the top 5% to 1% of men. As long as women have control of access, they also have more responsibility for outcomes.
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Since condoms are available and the pregnancy is the result of intercourse then in general it seems both should be equally responsible. But given that women primarily have to deal with the pregnancy, perhaps they ultimately bear more responsibility, or one would think that they naturally would be the more cautious about it all.
 
acceptance said:
I quoted the wording of the study. I'm calling some of the criteria into question.
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If you don’t agree with the definition of what constitutes the study, it’s pointless to then quote data from it don’t ya think?
 
Aynirar27 said:
If you don’t agree with the definition of what constitutes the study, it’s pointless to then quote data from it don’t ya think?
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I used the data that is arguably more objective and gave less weight to the more ambiguous data.
 
acceptance said:
Since condoms are available and the pregnancy is the result of intercourse then in general it seems both should be equally responsible. But given that women primarily have to deal with the pregnancy, perhaps they ultimately bear more responsibility, or one would think that they naturally would be the more cautious about it all.
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They bear the responsibility of being pregnant for sure, but most certainly share in the act of getting pregnant. Just because a bunch of dudes have chosen to disappear after doesn’t negate their equal role in making it happen.
 
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