Let's talk 3rd Power amps

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I always wanted to try the Citizen gain CRS 100, but have never had the chance. Now there is the Dragon ! Anyone compare the two ?
Which one has more gain ? Which do you prefere ?

Also does the kitchen sink have the same gain channal as the Citizen gain and or the Dragon ?

Very curious about these amps.
So the Dragon has 5 Preamp tubes. One for phase inverter, one for the loop. That leaves 2 tubes for the preamp. So I am guess it has 2 gain stage plexi channel and a cascaded 3 gain stage lead channel like a 2203.

So how much gain could it possibly have ? I have played very few 3 gain stage marshalls that was enough gain for me with out a boost.

What are you thoughts ?
 
BTW the clips I have heard of the Dragon and Citizen gain both sound good to me !
 
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screamindemon said:
I always wanted to try the Citizen gain CRS 100, but have never had the chance. Now there is the Dragon ! Anyone compare the two ?
Which one has more gain ? Which do you prefere ?

Also does the kitchen sink have the same gain channal as the Citizen gain and or the Dragon ?

Very curious about these amps.
So the Dragon has 5 Preamp tubes. One for phase inverter, one for the loop. That leaves 2 tubes for the preamp. So I am guess it has 2 gain stage plexi channel and a cascaded 3 gain stage lead channel like a 2203.

So how much gain could it possibly have ? I have played very few 3 gain stage marshalls that was enough gain for me with out a boost.

What are you thoughts ?
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It’s got a shit- ton more gain than a 2203.
 
I had a citizen gain for a bit, I forget which model though. Great amp for the modded Marshall thing but that isn’t really my thing anymore.
 
screamindemon said:
I always wanted to try the Citizen gain CRS 100, but have never had the chance. Now there is the Dragon ! Anyone compare the two ?
Which one has more gain ? Which do you prefere ?

Also does the kitchen sink have the same gain channal as the Citizen gain and or the Dragon ?

Very curious about these amps.
So the Dragon has 5 Preamp tubes. One for phase inverter, one for the loop. That leaves 2 tubes for the preamp. So I am guess it has 2 gain stage plexi channel and a cascaded 3 gain stage lead channel like a 2203.

So how much gain could it possibly have ? I have played very few 3 gain stage marshalls that was enough gain for me with out a boost.

What are you thoughts ?
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I can confirm they are killer....

I've got a Citizen Gain SR head that I'm going to list for sale today as I'm trying to track down a channel switcher version. The range of tones you can get from these heads is nuts with the EQ switch options
 
The Citizen Gain I tried a few yrs back was killer. Great amps.
 
From clips, 3rd Power Amps have always been the best sounding "boutique" amps to me.

They are the only ones that I feel any desire to own.
 
They all have plenty of gain. From what I have seen and heard, the Dragon sounds phenomenal. I have the Kitchen Sink, which is the evolution from the Citizen Gain. I love my Kitchen Sink and I never have to boost it. Here are a couple of live clips of my amp. Plenty of gain and cuts through the mix. One of these days I will have to get it setup for home recording.



 
If I didn't have this Dragon amp, I'd own their Kitchen Sink. I knew from the first time I plugged in, it was next level (for me)
Now that I own it a while, I can't believe the options on a single channel amp and how they effect the tones. Like, EVERY option sounds awesome.
It's hard to pick one setting.
The cab is just as impressive. If I had the $$$$, I'd have a Kitchen Sink on their 2x12.

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CarlF said:
If I didn't have this Dragon amp, I'd own their Kitchen Sink. I knew from the first time I plugged in, it was next level (for me)
Now that I own it a while, I can't believe the options on a single channel amp and how they effect the tones. Like, EVERY option sounds awesome.
It's hard to pick one setting.
The cab is just as impressive. If I had the $$$$, I'd have a Kitchen Sink on their 2x12.

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Hey Carl. Have you used this 412 in WDW?
 
EVH73 said:
Hey Carl. Have you used this 412 in WDW?
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No, I never tried WDW with it. I'm glad the cab's inputs are numbered!
It's an expensive cab, but the quality and workmanship are A+.
I'm sure the cab is killer in that WDW configuration. You can be sure it was well researched and tested.

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Thanks Carl. I’ve got the Friedman 412 that is my go to dry cab. Have any experience with that one and how it compares?
 
EVH73 said:
Thanks Carl. I’ve got the Friedman 412 that is my go to dry cab. Have any experience with that one and how it compares?
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No idea. From all I've seen/ read, the Friedman is a great cab.
 
CarlF said:
No idea. From all I've seen/ read, the Friedman is a great cab.
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The 3rd Power cabs are killer....I’ve got these and they are for sure a different thing, I don’t think the inner tuning and the triangle port are a gimmick at all, lots of thought went into them Massive sounding 1x12 and a 2x12 that’s not far off a 4x in sonic footprint ( and weight....)

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I’ll add to my last September post here that I was successful in my Citizen Gain CSR 40 search and that its a F’ing ridiculously great amp. I’m prob 20 gigs into it by now and haven’t fired up the Wizard once for a show since I got it. Pretty much every sound you would need for nearly every genre is in there, no pedals required. I’ve also had both a Wooly Coates and a Clean Sink combo from 3rd Power, really can’t say enough about how killer these are

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