Trump caved in only 12 hours! Ha!

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You're paying the tariffs, and the income tax, not the other countries.
Yes when prices go through the roof it becomes a consumption tax and consumption taxes favour the rich because they only consume so much like any other person. All the excess income for them is then tax free. The people that will suffer most from higher prices are the least wealthy.
 
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I get that you have a massive foreign debt and deficit but the way to address that is to cut spending Governement spending via DOGE etc and for department heads to be held to their budgets. Everyone in the US knew that the day of reckoning would come and instead the can got kicked down the road for far too long. I completely agree that foreign aid needed to be analysed for rubbish programs like condoms to afghanistan etc... I applaud that. As I've said before we get zero US aid - and that's the way it should be.
Everyone except Washington DC knows this, and they don't give a shit.

Why do you think they are hell bent on getting rid of Trump.
 
Everyone except Washington DC knows this, and they don't give a shit.

Why do you think they are hell bent on getting rid of Trump.
People here think I'm completely against Trump however if they were paying attention they would have seen I like quite a few things he's doing. Getting rid of DEI and wokeness, attempting to cut the deficit... I just don't agree with his foreign policy when it comes to things like Canada, Greenland and indiscrimate tariffs. Tariffs and tariff levels needed to be thought out better including the consequences. I even don't disagree with modest or equal reciprocal tariffs on those countries that tariff you. However as I've said a thousand times - you have 3:1 trade surplus with us and we didn't tariff you under our free trade agreement and you still tariffed us - so guilty of the very thing you were whinging about being done to you.
 
People here think I'm completely against Trump however if they were paying attention they would have seen I like quite a few things he's doing. Getting rid of DEI and wokeness, attempting to cut the deficit... I just don't agree with his foreign policy when it comes to things like Canada, Greenland and indiscrimate tariffs. I even don't disagree with modest or equal reciprocal tariffs on those countries that tariff you. However as I've said a thousand times - you have 3:1 trade surplus with us and we didn't tariff you under our free trade agreement and you still tariffed us - so guilty of the very thing you were whinging about being done to you.
But we are providing the world a service we can no longer afford, what do we do about that?
 
Re: China though - as much as I hate them and their belligerent and hypocritical behavior. You won't be able to transfer manufacturing quickly enough to the US and that's why he's backed down on technology - but you'll soon discover you won't survive in the short term on other items as well. I'm thinking car part shortages, machinery part shortages... all sorts of things. Then there's clothing and furniture... the list is endless.

When he has to back down on those things China will just laugh.
 
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But we are providing the world a service we can no longer afford, what do we do about that?
What service? Defence? Make them raise their defence budgets or withdraw from Nato if they don't.
 
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Re: China though - as much as I hate them and their belligerent and hypocritical behavior. You won't be able to transfer manufacturing quickly enough to the US and that's why he's backed down on technology - but you'll soon discover you won't survive in the short term on other items as well. I'm thinking car part shortages, machinery part shortages... all sorts of things. Then there's clothing and furniture... the list is endless.

When he has to back down on those things China will just laugh.
China is already screwed. Like most lefties you don't know what you are talking about.
 
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China is already screwed. Like most lefties you don't know what you are talking about.
I'm not a lefty - I'm a conservative from another country - we don't like being attacked - we attack back. We can beat our chests as well you know.
 
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We've already established you don't know what you are talking about many pages ago.
Oh but I do. Your President keeps caving in as reality sets in. It's hilarious to watch the incompetence at his ill thought out schemes. It's like taking a an opponents pawn and ignoring that your queen will get taken because you're too stupid to see it's going to happen.
 
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I'm not a lefty - I'm a conservative from another country - we don't like being attacked - we attack back. We can beat our chests as well you know.
You're a globalist which for all intents and purposes makes you a leftist.

Oh but I do. Your President keeps caving in as reality sets in. It's hilarious to watch the incompetence at his ill thought out schemes. It's like taking a an opponents pawn and ignoring that your queen will get taken because you're too stupid to see it's going to happen.
He's making it easy on us, not you bro. I guess that's your idea of caving.
 
You're a globalist which for all intents and purposes makes you a leftist.
You're insane. I don't like the world flooding into my country either. However you can still have allies among like nations without attacking them and becoming the hermit kingdom. This is why you are now my enemy. You are so stupid and insular you have burnt your bridges with the people that actually appreciated you and you have turned the entire world against you now. You now have no friends. Well done.
 
You're insane. I don't like the world flooding into my country either. However you can still have allies among like nations without attacking them and becoming the hermit kingdom. This is why you are now my enemy. You are so stupid and insular you have burnt your bridges with the people that actually appreciated you and you have turned the entire world against you now. You now have no friends. Well done.
Trump wants to rule, not govern. Just like his heroes in Russia and N Korea. He doesn't care if the country burns as long as he has control over everything and all the money. His tariff BS is one of the few things he can solely control through executive action instead of going through the normal governmental process. He's doing nothing but feeding his narcissistic ego.
 
It's funny how libs have no idea the financial trouble this country is in, and mainly because of them.

They think we can just keep on printing money and spending it on useless things that will never be worth the investment.

Yes, there are 2 ways to spend money. You can invest in a business or you can go on an expensive vacation.

Libs, just want an endless vacation.
 
You're insane. I don't like the world flooding into my country either. However you can still have allies among like nations without attacking them and becoming the hermit kingdom. This is why you are now my enemy. You are so stupid and insular you have burnt your bridges with the people that actually appreciated you and you have turned the entire world against you now. You now have no friends. Well done.
I don't really think so. We just aren't letting the world have their fingers in our piggybank anymore and they are mad. I def see a lot of foreign people coveting what we have here. To be jealous of the successes of another is a sin. Why? Because there is no thanksgiving for what the Lord HAS blessed them with. The Lord giveth and the Lord hath taken away; Blessed be the name of the Lord.
 
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Trump wants to rule, not govern. Just like his heroes in Russia and N Korea. He doesn't care if the country burns as long as he has control over everything and all the money. His tariff BS is one of the few things he can solely control through executive action instead of going through the normal governmental process. He's doing nothing but feeding his narcissistic ego.
He's squandered and broken everything he's ever gotten his hands on cuz he's never worked a day in his life.
How does a casino go bankctrupt ? His did the only one i know.
The 90 day tariff pause was because he blew-up the Treasury bond market it was tanking.
Its too late for dRump & the Chinese who by the way buys our "debt" and will likely go elsewhere next "debt limit crisis.
When the Chinese gov. sounds & act more calm & rational than the US gov. we are truly Fucked.
Hell hath no fury like an Asian scorned.
 
I don't really think so. We just aren't letting the world have their fingers in our piggybank anymore and they are mad. I def see a lot of foreign people coveting what we have here. To be jealous of the successes of another is a sin. Why? Because there is no thanksgiving for what the Lord HAS blessed them with. The Lord giveth and the Lord hath taken away; Blessed be the name of the Lord.
All we have done is supported the US over the years and have taken nothing. On the contrary, you have taken from us according to Trump's surplus/deficit rationale. You have treated us badly - to use Trump's own words on the subject.

I expect nothing except equitable treatment.

As for coveting the US - not in my case because we have the better country. Less wealth inequality here great standard of living. More land and wide open spaces per capita. No land borders... not ripping off illegal immigrants from Mexico for low wages here. No African slavery leading to large minorities of disgruntled people.
 
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