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VonBonfire said:
The animal kingdom is brutal as a matter of routine. The difference between animals and humanity is we have reason that tells us pouncing on our neighbor from the nearest tree in order to eat dinner isn't the way.
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That’s not what the animal kingdom is doing. Different species eat other species but only when they need to. We industrialize other species in terrible conditions for our own gluttony, disposing of 1000’s of animals worth of meat because it goes unsold or is not wanted. We don’t just eat animals we enslave and degrade them before we do it.
The animal kingdom, doesn’t lie, cheat and steal with its neighbors but we do all the time. We also kill our neighbors all the time out of anything but survival need. All the while using that power of reason you think is so noble.
Animals keep each other’s population in harmony with nature and also contribute to their ecosystem, while we just pillage ours. We explode in numbers with no balancing factor (not, even war, famine and disease) while we devastate flora and fauna for reasons that have everything to do with convenience, not survival.
We start wildfires for kicks, create super viruses outside of nature because we’re afraid someone else will too, poison our oceans and water supplies because of profit.
There’s just too much to mention vs. one Leopard pouncing on an antelope. That act from the leopard is like kittens and puppies playing together with baby ducks vs. what our reasoned minds do every day.


…..but Clint Eastwood does kick ass.
 
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I really liked him in Back to the Future III.

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skoora said:
That’s not what the animal kingdom is doing. Different species eat other species but only when they need to. We industrialize other species in terrible conditions for our own gluttony, disposing of 1000’s of animals worth of meat because it goes unsold or is not wanted. We don’t just eat animals we enslave and degrade them before we do it.
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You're drawing bad analogies. The black widow female eats it's mate as a matter of routine. There is a variety of slug that consumes the genitals of it's mate after copulation. Weasels kill for sport. Wolves will kill another wolf that is not a pack member. Even hens will gang up on a weak hen and rip the shit out of it. There's your harmony in nature.

skoora said:
The animal kingdom, doesn’t lie, cheat and steal with its neighbors but we do all the time. We also kill our neighbors all the time out of anything but survival need. All the while using that power of reason you think is so noble.
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Also wrong. You've never seen a pack of hyenas drive away a big cat from game it's killed or coyotes drive off a pack of vultures at a carcass? I'd call that stealing. In areas where there are many monkeys they steal stuff from humans all the time. Chimpanzees are known for having greater violence against their own species than other apes i.e they do murder each other. I guess animals can't lie, they can't talk, but they can and do use methods of deception to lure prey to their death. Guile is common in the animal kingdom.

skoora said:
Animals keep each other’s population in harmony with nature and also contribute to their ecosystem
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Also wrong. They over breed all the time and then have mass die offs when the food supply runs out or there is a harsh winter or very dry summer. Rats, mice, rabbits, deer, and hogs all do this. As for us "wasting" animals by the thousands that aren't eaten, half of those animals wouldn't exist at all without the guidance of a human hand which can improve upon or domesticate a breed. Animals can't and don't do that.

You're not going to convince me animals are somehow righteous and good in and of themselves vs humans. We call a savage person an animal when they behave like a non-thinking beast because they have reduced themselves to the animal kingdom.
 
We had better cull all of the squirrels before they learn to split the atom.
 
VonBonfire said:
You're drawing bad analogies. The black widow female eats it's mate as a matter of routine. There is a variety of slug that consumes the genitals of it's mate after copulation. Weasels kill for sport. Wolves will kill another wolf that is not a pack member. Even hens will gang up on a weak hen and rip the shit out of it. There's your harmony in nature.


Also wrong. You've never seen a pack of hyenas drive away a big cat from game it's killed or coyotes drive off a pack of vultures at a carcass? I'd call that stealing. In areas where there are many monkeys they steal stuff from humans all the time. Chimpanzees are known for having greater violence against their own species than other apes i.e they do murder each other. I guess animals can't lie, they can't talk, but they can and do use methods of deception to lure prey to their death. Guile is common in the animal kingdom.


Also wrong. They over breed all the time and then have mass die offs when the food supply runs out or there is a harsh winter or very dry summer. Rats, mice, rabbits, deer, and hogs all do this. As for us "wasting" animals by the thousands that aren't eaten, half of those animals wouldn't exist at all without the guidance of a human hand which can improve upon or domesticate a breed. Animals can't and don't do that.

You're not going to convince me animals are somehow righteous and good in and of themselves vs humans. We call a savage person an animal when they behave like a non-thinking beast because they have reduced themselves to the animal kingdom.
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The human hand never improves a breed outside of our own short sighted purposes. All domesticated animals are by definition broken.
 
skoora said:
That’s not what the animal kingdom is doing. Different species eat other species but only when they need to. We industrialize other species in terrible conditions for our own gluttony, disposing of 1000’s of animals worth of meat because it goes unsold or is not wanted. We don’t just eat animals we enslave and degrade them before we do it.
The animal kingdom, doesn’t lie, cheat and steal with its neighbors but we do all the time. We also kill our neighbors all the time out of anything but survival need. All the while using that power of reason you think is so noble.
Animals keep each other’s population in harmony with nature and also contribute to their ecosystem, while we just pillage ours. We explode in numbers with no balancing factor (not, even war, famine and disease) while we devastate flora and fauna for reasons that have everything to do with convenience, not survival.
We start wildfires for kicks, create super viruses outside of nature because we’re afraid someone else will too, poison our oceans and water supplies because of profit.
There’s just too much to mention vs. one Leopard pouncing on an antelope. That act from the leopard is like kittens and puppies playing together with baby ducks vs. what our reasoned minds do every day.


…..but Clint Eastwood does kick ass.
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For the record, at any given time I have about 15 of them under my bird feeders. And I would never launch a squirrel or hurt one. And I don't like how they taste. That said, I would eat them if I needed to you can bet on that.
 
Hiwatts-n-Gibsons said:
The human hand never improves a breed outside of our own short sighted purposes. All domesticated animals are by definition broken.
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Feeding actual humans is "short sighted" now? Evil cannot be equated to breeding a hen that lays more eggs or a dog or horse that does a job better.
 
VonBonfire said:
Feeding actual humans is "short sighted" now? Evil cannot be equated to breeding a hen that lays more eggs or a dog or horse that does a job better.
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Dogs and horses do not have jobs. They do not get paid. People create jobs, and exploit other people, and other species inorder to make life easier for humans. This is detrimental to their overall health across pretty much all species. The health concerns modern dogs and horses have are 100% an effect of their breeding to be better suited to human purposes.
 
Hiwatts-n-Gibsons said:
Dogs and horses do not have jobs. They do not get paid. People create jobs, and exploit other people, and other species inorder to make life easier for humans. This is detrimental to their overall health across pretty much all species. The health concerns modern dogs and horses have are 100% an effect of their breeding to be better suited to human purposes.
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Plenty of animals have jobs. Many of them get paid in room and board and free medical care. It doesn't really matter if you believe in biblical things or not but it is obvious either through evolution or by the decree of the Lord that man has been handed dominion over animals. You are equating any use of them as a negative, and detrimental, and that is a pretty far out stance to take, if that's what you believe.
 
VonBonfire said:
Plenty of animals have jobs. Many of them get paid in room and board and free medical care. It doesn't really matter if you believe in biblical things or not but it is obvious either through evolution or by the decree of the Lord that man has been handed dominion over animals. You are equating any use of them as a negative, and detrimental, and that is a pretty far out stance to take, if that's what you believe.
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I can hear all the German Shepherds now, barking “Thanks for the hip dysplasia Jesus!”
 
Floyd Eye said:
For the record, at any given time I have about 15 of them under my bird feeders. And I would never launch a squirrel or hurt one. And I don't like how they taste. That said, I would eat them if I needed to you can bet on that.
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lol…My wife has bird feeders on the back porch and when the squirrels come by, my terrier becomes the white rocket of the south, when we bust the back door open.
 
VonBonfire said:
Plenty of animals have jobs. Many of them get paid in room and board and free medical care. It doesn't really matter if you believe in biblical things or not but it is obvious either through evolution or by the decree of the Lord that man has been handed dominion over animals. You are equating any use of them as a negative, and detrimental, and that is a pretty far out stance to take, if that's what you believe.
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That's a very arrogant human centric view, and shows a complete lack of understanding of how evolution and domestication both function. Also, it is fair to say that most livestock animals suffer what would be considered abuse, neglect, and false imprisonment if we were talking about a human.
 
Hiwatts-n-Gibsons said:
That's a very arrogant and shows a complete lack of understanding of how evolution and domestication both function. Also, it is fair to say that most livestock animals suffer what would be considered abuse, neglect, and false imprisonment if we were talking about a human.
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Don’t worry. Shamu did several press conferences before she died where she said thanks for the free room and board and medical….oh and also end the war in Vietnam. She felt pretty strongly about that one 👍
 
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