Here's one thing I've noticed about my Duncan guitars vs my DiMarzio guitars

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So I used to be a Duncan fanboi as a teenager in the mid 90s when that's just all I knew, and that only the most holy grails of guitars (Jacksons mostly) got them, or big rockstars had them in their guitars; so naturally, I was a Duncan fanboi in my youth. I had a Burny Les Paul Custom (I should have NEVER sold/traded) that had a Custom Custom and 59 and I LOVED that Custom Custom. It just worked for some reason in that guitar. But then again I was also cranking the shit out of the gain knob back then. I had other guitars that had Duncans in them, and since they're basically ubiquitous for the last 15 years or so, as most decent guitars come with them, they're everywhere.

I don't know when I discovered DiMarzios, though I was familiar with the name, I had just never used their pickups. I think the first time I ever played one was in my Guitar Center days, back around 2005 I think, and it was either a Strat style guitar, or a Wolfgang that came into the store, used, that had them, and I was like wow! I love this!

Several years ago, I traded a Music Man Silhouette I had bought used at Guitar Center for a Higgins Custom superstrat. He was Merle Haggard's guitar tech and built partscasters. I was just really bored with that Music Man, it just never really did much for me. I traded it and that guitar (that I still have) has an Evolution in the bridge and a Red Velvet in the neck. I think the Red Velvet is probably my favorite single coil because of that guitar. The Evolution is super hot and will expose any mistakes you make, but I dig it. I also had a 2008 USA Charvel that had the Tone Zone/Evolution Neck combo that I loved the sound of.

I remember talking with my buddy who's a luthier that I used to build guitars with and we just fawned over DiMarzio pickups one day in a conversation due to just how much better we think they sound compared to Duncans. I'm not saying Duncans are bad, I just prefer the "thing" that DiMarzios have that Duncans don't seem to.

A couple years ago I bought a used 93 USA made Washburn from the Grover Jackson era that has a Custom Custom in the bridge, a 59 in the neck, and a Custom Hot in the middle (single coil). That guitar sounds a wee bit neutered. It just doesn't sound as hot coming through the amp, and I LOVED that pickup in that Burny. It's almost boring to play because it just doesn't seem to scream. Solos sound decent, but pedaling away on the low E for riffs/songs just sound dull and lifeless. I also have another USA Washburn, a 94, from the Grover Jackson era. It has a JB and 59 and it has a wee bit more juice to it, but still just uninspiring. I just don't seem to get enough push to the amp to get it to sing on leads like I want.

This Warrior I was working on and just finished up today, it had a Custom/59 combo and it was very lifeless sounding and would take cranking the shit out of the gain to get it to sound useable. I also have a Korean Washburn Steve Stevens Signature, and it has a Black Winter/Jazz combo...once again, dull and lifeless. I don't know what it is about Duncans that I don't jive with.

A month ago, I redid the Les Paul I bought and put a Super Distortion/PAF 36th in it and it SCREAMS! This Warrior I just finished got a PAF 36th/PAF 36th combo, and even though it's a much much lower output pickup than the Custom/59 that was in it, this guitar sings and feels alive on the amp now. The scalloped Warmoth I just got a couple weeks ago has the Crunch Lab/Evolution Bridge (but in the neck, got a PAF Pro on its way to fix that) and it just screams and sings.

There is just something that DiMarzio has that Duncan doesn't, at least to my ear. The only guitars I've got with Duncans that I actually like the sound and wouldn't change it, are my old Warmoth with a JB/59 and my Wulfsson Barracuda with a JB/Quarter Pounder. Maybe I just like the way those 2 particular JBs sound, but those guitars actually breathe and have life when I play them....all my other Duncan guitars don't have "it" for some reason.
 
One thing I’ve noticed is that Dimarzio’s have bloated low mids, a nasal sound, and chopped off highs. I’m not a Duncan fanboy by any means……but I hate Dimarzio’s. I do like their speaker cables though…….lol
 
Tone Zone is a great pickup. I was using the Super 3 in just about everything there for a while. :thumbsup:
 
This is something I think is lost on many players.

Some pickups are very musical and interactive, some just do what pickups do.

I think there's a big difference between a pickup that "works" and a pickup that excels

Even without the 1000$ sets of throbaks and tom holmes, you can find pickups that excel, and are very expressive and musical nowadays, in basically every style and configuration

BTW i've gotten some great tones out of my tele (emg retroactive t pickups) with your JEL profiles - this is a demo song im working on for my punk band

 
Magnets and wires. Enjoy the smooth or crunchy peanut butter. It’s whatever your ears enjoy hearing.
 
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Some pickups are very musical and interactive, some just do what pickups do.
Interesting.

I've always felt Duncans were more musical so glad you mentioned that. There was just that "little more" that I got out of Duncans vs. Dimarzios. That said I do like the Tone Zone, was very happy with that pickup in one of my fiddles for a long time and I also liked the Norton. They were kinda Duncanish.

But yeah I can see the vice versa. That's the great thing about having choices. Plenty of them in the pup world.
 
Interesting.

I've always felt Duncans were more musical so glad you mentioned that. There was just that "little more" that I got out of Duncans vs. Dimarzios. That said I do like the Tone Zone, was very happy with that pickup in one of my fiddles for a long time and I also liked the Norton. They were kinda Duncanish.

But yeah I can see the vice versa. That's the great thing about having choices. Plenty of them in the pup world.
I agree there. The regular Norton is the most Duncanish……but I still hear that cocked wah/nasal quality in it.
 
Same. I can't get past that high mid spike

If a JB is ben stein, most dimarzios are fran drescher
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One thing I’ve noticed is that Dimarzio’s have bloated low mids, a nasal sound, and chopped off highs. I’m not a Duncan fanboy by any means……but I hate Dimarzio’s. I do like their speaker cables though…….lol

The brass baseplates and smaller than standard wire guage the is used in all only Dimarzios serves 2 purposes. Saves Larry money, but also paired well when that amps didn’t have as much gain because they added output and aren’t as bright. They then paired when with the heavy time based effects haling with the wet tone. Now people want tighter brighter and don’t need the output.
 
I had a pretty good DiMarzio in my old Ibanez Roadstar. It was tight sounding, pretty decent high gain and had a pretty strong output at about 12. Sadly though, I've tried the Evolution and the Super 3, and those sounded muddy to my ears. I've never tried the Super Distortion, but I imagine I would like it because it is scooped.
 
One thing I’ve noticed is that Dimarzio’s have bloated low mids, a nasal sound, and chopped off highs. I’m not a Duncan fanboy by any means……but I hate Dimarzio’s. I do like their speaker cables though…….lol
Same thing about their cables. I had a high dollar Monster & a DiMarzio & the DiMarzio sounded so much warmer than the Monster.
 
Ok..will try to keep it succinct...started out with OG Gibsons..had a 72 V and an 82 Explorer with Dirty Fingers...Then got into the Duncans....Like the Distortion and Parallel Axis Original...then had a nice G&L Climaxx + that I put Tone Zone and Norton in...
Then I found...Bare Knuckles...they are my absolute favorite..much better articulation, clarity and feel/responsiveness vs the Duncans and Dimarzios...went to all BKPs for a while with the ABomb as the go to bridge.
Recently I added a couple guitars and those have 59 Custom Hybrid and Custom 5 bridges with the Sentient in both necks. I've also built a couple home brews and in one I use the Iron Gear Dirty Torque bridge/Rolling Mill neck . I just put a Dimarzio Transition/Illuminator neck in my new Jackson, and I really like that Transition.
All that said...BKPs just are a cut above for me..I see a lot of notes about lifeless, but I do not find that to be the case at all.

Circling back on the OP subject..I would probably prefer Duncans to Dimarzios..as some have noted in this thread ..bloated low mids and the upper mid cocked wah thing is off putting to me in most Dimarzios.

All these pickups have their voice, and as long as you find the right voice for your axe..and your style of playing..IMHO it can be any brand.
 
The brass baseplates and smaller than standard wire guage the is used in all only Dimarzios serves 2 purposes. Saves Larry money, but also paired well when that amps didn’t have as much gain because they added output and aren’t as bright. They then paired when with the heavy time based effects haling with the wet tone. Now people want tighter brighter and don’t need the output.

I imagine that style of pickup works fine for people that want that specific tone from that exact era, but with the amount of gain and EQ brighter on modern amps it sounds like Fran Dreschers voice to me :ROFLMAO:

I feel like especially for gainy stuff, we have so many great options for gain staging that we don't have to compromise on pickups like that anymore
 
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