200-Yard Shot

[NoHassle]

Can someone explain what law enforcement officials let the Turning Point USA people disassemble an active crime scene before anyone had a chance to secure it for forensics?

Activity that also what looks like people removing SD cards from certain cameras, breaking down the entire tent area immediately after the shooting, wouldn't that be the last thing you think of after one of your friends was just gunned down in cold blood...............from Local law enforcement to the FBI, purely WTF activities. They don't treat a street homicides with the lack of care that it seems they gave a political assassination.............

Also can someone explain the lack of EMS services??? AKA an ambulance for such a large event? Usually EMS services are required for any large event LIKE CONCERTS and such just in case ONE person has any kind of emergency ???????????

All of these glaring shortfalls and inconsistent details that the MSM does not really seem to asking???????????????

As each day passes more questions and even more doubt as to what the real story is.

It really is starting to look like a well organised and concerted effort by more than one or two parties.

Yes, Kirk was influential but this level of cover up seems a bit much for him so there must be so much of this story we'll never get the truth for.

Who do we suspect so far? I've got 3 entities in mind but not for public consumption on this board.

 

[FourT6and2]

Can someone explain what law enforcement officials let the Turning Point USA people disassemble an active crime scene before anyone had a chance to secure it for forensics?

Activity that also what looks like people removing SD cards from certain cameras, breaking down the entire tent area immediately after the shooting, wouldn't that be the last thing you think of after one of your friends was just gunned down in cold blood...............from Local law enforcement to the FBI, purely WTF activities. They don't treat a street homicides with the lack of care that it seems they gave a political assassination.............

I read that it was law enforcement who REQUESTED them to retrieve the SD cards to hand over for the investigation. That video content isn't going to be released publicly. At least not until well after trial/sentencing. You need to understand that there are probably TONS of details that law enforcement knows that they are not releasing to the public/media. They are using that information for the investigation and trial. They aren't going to spill the beans until the investigation is closed.

Also can someone explain the lack of EMS services??? AKA an ambulance for such a large event? Usually EMS services are required for any large event LIKE CONCERTS and such just in case ONE person has any kind of emergency ???????????

All of these glaring shortfalls and inconsistent details that the MSM does not really seem to asking???????????????

Plenty of large events like this at schools around the country. I never once saw EMS on site or even police for that matter at my alma mater. Charlie Kirk wasn't a politician, government official, or figurehead that commanded special treatment from law enforcement.

 

[harddriver]

I read that it was law enforcement who REQUESTED them to retrieve the SD cards to hand over for the investigation.



Plenty of large events like this at schools around the country. I never once saw EMS on site or even police for that matter at my alma mater. Charlie Kirk wasn't a politician, government official, or figurehead that commanded special treatment from law enforcement.

Since when does law enforcement defer responsibilities like that? I'm talking about immediately after the shooting there doesn't seem to be law enforcement taking control of an active crime scene. These are just observations.

 

[harddriver]

Plenty of large events like this at schools around the country. I never once saw EMS on site or even police for that matter at my alma mater. Charlie Kirk wasn't a politician, government official, or figurehead that commanded special treatment from law enforcement.

Almost every public event that I have ever gone to, concerts, fairs, carnivals, festivals..........ALL have EMS support. More have then have not.

 

[FourT6and2]

Almost every public event that I have ever gone to, concerts, fairs, carnivals, festivals..........ALL have EMS support. More have then have not.

When a town, city, or county hosts a large event, they will most likely have support infrastructure in place. For example, I recently went to an outdoor climbing competition hosted by The North Face. It was a deep-water free solo competition in San Francisco. Thousands of people there to watch competitors climb a floating wall. U.S. Coast Guard was there to patrol the waters to make sure no unauthorized boats endangered the athletes or spectators. There were divers in the water to make sure nobody drowned. SFPD was also there to patrol the crowds on land. And I do believe there was an ambulance somewhere close by just in case.

BUT... this was a PUBLIC event hosted on CITY PROPERTY.

A guest speaker on a college campus feels like a different animal—even at a public school. I wouldn't expect this type of event to have tons of emergency support infrastructure in place unless the guest requested it and paid for it or the school anticipated a large enough crowd to warrant it. This wasn't a 20,000-person concert stadium. This wasn't a government official. This wasn't a large festival or parade or fair or carnival. It was a relatively small public speaking event.

Either way, I don't think it's some huge conspiracy that more police weren't there or EMS wasn't there with freakin' stretchers and gurneys waiting like it's a war zone.

 

[84superchamp]

I'm a shotgun junkie. I grew up on quail and woodcock. These days it's mostly high capacity autos, courses and our own homegrown 3 gun shit.

A bit OT: I read a lot of firearm tests in American Rifleman and am used to seeing 50-100 yard target results. Latest issue tested a reissue of S&W 357 mag "snubnose" with target results of....7 yards. I chuckled.

 

[Floyd Eye]

A bit OT: I read a lot of firearm tests in American Rifleman and am used to seeing 50-100 yard target results. Latest issue tested a reissue of S&W 357 mag "snubnose" with target results of....7 yards. I chuckled.

7 yards, while not the maximum effective/lethal range of a snubnose 357/38, is about the outer limit at which that weapon would/should be considered as ideal. Longer big bore revolvers like 6-10" .357/44 and up are much more effective at "Hunting" distances. I've taken my fair share of whitetail out to 100 yards with an unscoped 8.5" .44 Magnum.

I usually close out training sessions with my carry handgun at 50-75-100 yards, but that's just to keep myself capable of making those shots in case I ever need to. 90% of my handgun training is 25 yards and under ( my compacts and subcompacts are zeroed at 15 yards) because almost 100% of legal self defense situations occur there. (Really most of them are under 3 yards, less than 3 seconds long and less than 3 shots fired. It's the rule of 3s)

50-100 yards is where most of my carbine training is. Quite a bit from 0-25 too though. Especially transition drills where you might start with a sidearm at bad breath distances and work your way out to 0 to 50 with a shotgun and/or 0 to 200 with a carbine. I probably should be working out to 300 yards, but my preference for standard 16" carbines is unmagnified reflex or prism sights. I am not a fan of LPVOs for close in work and realistically, since I am not military, LE or tasked with protecting or defending anyone other than myself and my own I spend most of my time working at distances I can justify in court. I do have scoped rifles and carbines for 300-500 yards, but that isn't a big part of my routine.

 

[harddriver]

 

[harddriver]

 

[harddriver]

 

[84superchamp]

7 yards, while not the maximum effective/lethal range of a snubnose 357/38, is about the outer limit at which that weapon would/should be considered as ideal. Longer big bore revolvers like 6-10" .357/44 and up are much more effective at "Hunting" distances. I've taken my fair share of whitetail out to 100 yards with an unscoped 8.5" .44 Magnum.

I usually close out training sessions with my carry handgun at 50-75-100 yards, but that's just to keep myself capable of making those shots in case I ever need to. 90% of my handgun training is 25 yards and under ( my compacts and subcompacts are zeroed at 15 yards) because almost 100% of legal self defense situations occur there. (Really most of them are under 3 yards, less than 3 seconds long and less than 3 shots fired. It's the rule of 3s)

50-100 yards is where most of my carbine training is. Quite a bit from 0-25 too though. Especially transition drills where you might start with a sidearm at bad breath distances and work your way out to 0 to 50 with a shotgun and/or 0 to 200 with a carbine. I probably should be working out to 300 yards, but my preference for standard 16" carbines is unmagnified reflex or prism sights. I am not a fan of LPVOs for close in work and realistically, since I am not military, LE or tasked with protecting or defending anyone other than myself and my own I spend most of my time working at distances I can justify in court. I do have scoped rifles and carbines for 300-500 yards, but that isn't a big part of my routine.

The rule of 3s, I've never seen it before but it instantly makes perfect sense.

 

[harddriver]

More analysis............

 

[harddriver]

 

[midnightlaundry]

Late to this party, but wanted to say a 200 yard shot with my 16" 5.56 with an Eotech and a 3X Magnifier is a joke..

 

[FourT6and2]

Didn't watch the video. But just looking at the title, the bullet isn't missing.

Utah Code § 26-4-6 mandates autopsies in homicide cases.

The Utah Office of the Medical Examiner stated in court documents that a full forensic autopsy was performed by the state medical examiner's office within 24 hours of Kirk's death. Preliminary findings were released to support the murder charge against Robinson and they confirmed the cause as a "penetrating gunshot wound leading to exsanguination and cardiorespiratory failure, with the manner ruled homicide," and the bullet was recovered lodged in the neck with no exit wound.

 

[Racerxrated]

I have no doubt that nerves play a role. But I don't think that means Charlie Kirk's assassination was carried out by a "pro". Any random hunter could have done it. Anybody with a few range trips could have done it... nerves notwithstanding. I think if someone is mentally crazy enough to plan a murder like this and carry it out, they probably are detached and dissociated enough to be fairly calm in the moment. Case in point: look at the video of this kid's exfil. How calmly and nonchalantly he gets down from the roof and across the lawn and across the street. Look at the video of him from the first court appearance. Cool as a cucumber.

The point of my OP wasn't to brag about how awesome I am. It was simply to show that hitting a 0.25" target at 140-200 yards isn't difficult, let alone a head, neck, or torso.

I don't come in here much. But, as a US Army vet, I'll just mention a few things.....

Back in 1987 during Basic there were 7 of us that qualified as 'Expert' during our M16 range training/qualifying. The range consisted of pop up targets, from 50 meters out to 300 meters. An M16 A1 is a lower powered weapon vs any of the examples shown here in this thread. Yet, 7 of us were able to hit a 300 meter pop up torso enough times and center mass(the pop up torso had to be hit in the center of the head or torso; a shoulder/arm hit wouldn't register and send the target down according to our Drill Sgt). This is without a scope.....which of course will make things WAAY easier.

It's VERY obvious to me and probably anyone else who's served and had to qualify with a 16, that anyone could pull this off with very little training and especially when they have the advantage of a good scope.

Also, I've never hunted before and barely used any weapons before my Army service(my dad had a good collection of Wild West weapons, some 357/44 mag pistols that he took us out to a farm and fired a few times as a kid). So with a little practice I was able to hit a 300 meter target(1000 ft) with enough consistency to qualify as Expert with my 16. No scope.
This shooter was around weapons all his life, had a scope and a high powered rifle. Easy peasy unfortunately.

The other subject, the 'Hired Professional' thing falls flat imo. Why? Well, imo a pro isn't going to do this where there are 100s of witnesses. They are going to take their time studying the habits of his/her victim, and knowing what their routine is in order to choose the place and time where the fewest possible witnesses will be there.
So, no pro. Just a crazed individual with a high powered weapon, a scope to boot, and a past with a proven history of being around/firing many weapons.
This isn't hard.

No one, I mean no one deserves to be murdered over their political beliefs.
Carry on.

 

[FourT6and2]

I don't come in here much. But, as a US Army vet, I'll just mention a few things.....

Back in 1987 during Basic there were 7 of us that qualified as 'Expert' during our M16 range training/qualifying. The range consisted of pop up targets, from 50 meters out to 300 meters. An M16 A1 is a lower powered weapon vs any of the examples shown here in this thread. Yet, 7 of us were able to hit a 300 meter pop up torso enough times and center mass(the pop up torso had to be hit in the center of the head or torso; a shoulder/arm hit wouldn't register and send the target down according to our Drill Sgt). This is without a scope.....which of course will make things WAAY easier.

It's VERY obvious to me and probably anyone else who's served and had to qualify with a 16, that anyone could pull this off with very little training and especially when they have the advantage of a good scope.

Also, I've never hunted before and barely used any weapons before my Army service(my dad had a good collection of Wild West weapons, some 357/44 mag pistols that he took us out to a farm and fired a few times as a kid). So with a little practice I was able to hit a 300 meter target(1000 ft) with enough consistency to qualify as Expert with my 16. No scope.
This shooter was around weapons all his life, had a scope and a high powered rifle. Easy peasy unfortunately.

The other subject, the 'Hired Professional' thing falls flat imo. Why? Well, imo a pro isn't going to do this where there are 100s of witnesses. They are going to take their time studying the habits of his/her victim, and knowing what their routine is in order to choose the place and time where the fewest possible witnesses will be there.
So, no pro. Just a crazed individual with a high powered weapon, a scope to boot, and a past with a proven history of being around/firing many weapons.
This isn't hard.

No one, I mean no one deserves to be murdered over their political beliefs.
Carry on.

100% agreed.

 

[Floyd Eye]

I don't come in here much. But, as a US Army vet, I'll just mention a few things.....

Back in 1987 during Basic there were 7 of us that qualified as 'Expert' during our M16 range training/qualifying. The range consisted of pop up targets, from 50 meters out to 300 meters. An M16 A1 is a lower powered weapon vs any of the examples shown here in this thread. Yet, 7 of us were able to hit a 300 meter pop up torso enough times and center mass(the pop up torso had to be hit in the center of the head or torso; a shoulder/arm hit wouldn't register and send the target down according to our Drill Sgt). This is without a scope.....which of course will make things WAAY easier.

It's VERY obvious to me and probably anyone else who's served and had to qualify with a 16, that anyone could pull this off with very little training and especially when they have the advantage of a good scope.

Also, I've never hunted before and barely used any weapons before my Army service(my dad had a good collection of Wild West weapons, some 357/44 mag pistols that he took us out to a farm and fired a few times as a kid). So with a little practice I was able to hit a 300 meter target(1000 ft) with enough consistency to qualify as Expert with my 16. No scope.
This shooter was around weapons all his life, had a scope and a high powered rifle. Easy peasy unfortunately.

The other subject, the 'Hired Professional' thing falls flat imo. Why? Well, imo a pro isn't going to do this where there are 100s of witnesses. They are going to take their time studying the habits of his/her victim, and knowing what their routine is in order to choose the place and time where the fewest possible witnesses will be there.
So, no pro. Just a crazed individual with a high powered weapon, a scope to boot, and a past with a proven history of being around/firing many weapons.
This isn't hard.

No one, I mean no one deserves to be murdered over their political beliefs.
Carry on.

And some people I know think they’re hot shit hitting a silhouette at 200 yards with a red dot.

 

[311boogieman]

(Really most of them are under 3 yards, less than 3 seconds long and less than 3 shots fired. It's the rule of 3s)

That's exactly what my instructor taught me.

Coincidently - just saw this on FB

 

[NoHassle]

Just throwing this out there for opinions.

One of the most audacious examples of 'M’s' capabilities came in September 2024, when thousands of pagers and walkie-talkies detonated simultaneously across Lebanon and Syria. Branded Operation Grim Beeper, the attack killed 42 people, injured more than 4,000, including Iran’s ambassador to Lebanon, and sidelined 1,500 Hezbollah fighters. 'M' had infiltrated Hezbollah’s supply chain when it planted booby-trapped walkie-talkies that enabled both surveillance and remote detonation.