Glad to be an independent thinker

[MadAsAHatter]

Couchboy off to research his "balanced" sources.

 

[JDs Couch]

"You" didn't do anything

You're literally just prompting AI

Which honestly makes a ton of sense considering how odious and nonsensical most of your posts are; reddit is like 20% of AIs data modeling, and it shows.

Anyway, you're boring and repetitive. Off to work now. Get a job ya tosser.

 

[espquade]

Just to prove what a fucking troll liar you are...bitchboy.
And a CUNT!!!

Seriously what's with all the insults towards JD? Are we still in grade school or something? I mean how old are you?

Can we possible have a discussion without all the childish behavior?

 

[The Blazing Saddle]

I have now realized that there are two types of Independent Thinkers. “Bleeding Heart” Independent Thinkers and “Common Sense” Independent Thinkers. You know who you are.

 

[DanTravis62]

Anyway, you're boring and repetitive. Off to work now. Get a job ya tosser.

I am boring and repetitive, right

I, who actually researched data, and used my own words to interpret it, am boring and repetitive

And you, the lazyass who posts obvious AI prompts and pretends you're some investigative journalist scientist, who endlessly posts AI slop like it's "facts" are definitely not "repetitive and boring"

 

[MadAsAHatter]

No insult to state facts as many migrant workers do these type of jobs gladly and as such there pay is statically much lower than what causations would require. I'm not stating whether its right or wrong but the fact remains. Construction etc....

It's still a flimsy argument at best.

 

[DanTravis62]

It's still a flimsy argument at best.

That's being charitable. It's really a logical fallacy. It's the same argument the confederate states made for slavery.

 

[Findthetone1]

Seriously , are we still in grade school or something? These insults are beneath you ? I mean how old are you?

Can we possible have a discussion without the childish bullshit?

If you don't like it, don't read it. Mmmmkaaayyyy?
He (She/it/they/them? ) is nothing but a troll and a lying piece of shit. So no, the discussion ship sailed a long time ago with that twat-muffin.
But if you want to swoop in and try and save the day, have at it.

 

[espquade]

I have now realized that there are two types of Independent Thinkers. “Bleeding Heart” Independent Thinkers and “Common Sense” Independent Thinkers. You know who you are.

You forgot one.... Independent thinkers who don't hate everyone who doesn't think like them.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

You forgot one.... Independent thinkers who don't hate everyone who doesn't think like them.

That would be included in the common sense group.

 

[espquade]

If you don't like it, don't read it. Mmmmkaaayyyy?
He (She/it/they/them? ) is nothing but a troll and a lying piece of shit. So no, the discussion ship sailed a long time ago with that twat-muffin.
But if you want to swoop in and try and save the day, have at it.

There is no reason at this point as the level of animosity in this section is quite clear. I myself prefer to debate without the mud slinging and name calling but hey that's just me and if it makes you feel better to go on the attack then that's your cross to bear not mine.

 

[Findthetone1]

There is no reason at this point as the level of animosity in this section is quite clear. I myself prefer to debate without the mud slinging and name calling but hey that's just me and if it makes you feel better to go on the attack then that's your cross to bear not mine.

I believe I responded to one of your posts with no insult, no?

 

[MadAsAHatter]

That's being charitable. It's really a logical fallacy. It's the same argument the confederate states made for slavery.

I'm fairly certain there are a multitude of jobs Americans don't want to do that are still being done by Americans. Plus there are legal ways for foreign workers to come and work in the US. Though I believe that all resources should be used to hire US citizens first before those avenues are used. Foreign labor shouldn't be used as a substitute for domestic workers or a form of cheap labor.

And if for whatever reason the labor pool starts to dry up completely in that industry it'll just drive innovation to find automated solutions.

 

[84superchamp]

Not if you are following the laws that the congress have written.

Nobody is saying that there might be a more sympathetic solution, but if you want one, it has to be in the law.

And don't think for a minute that the left didn't realize how correcting this situation was going to look.

Add to that: the long-time illegal with a successful business had all those years to apply for citizenship but didn't bother. Yes, that's another legal path but they have to make the effort.
The OP up there, that's a lot of time involved to listen to senseless rambling. I'm sure that guy thought he was being cute in his assessment, smug as your average demo politico, but i agree with his wife; STFU.

 

[Findthetone1]

Anyway, you're boring and repetitive. Off to work now. Get a job ya tosser.

Don't forget your work supplies

 

[espquade]

I believe I responded to one of your posts with no insult, no?

I wasn't pointing the finger at you ,and sorry if it came off that way ... just stating how much discourse this thread has generated.

 

[espquade]

I wouldn't call his cut and paste ChatGPT "good info"

It's always good to look a bit deeper into everything posted on statistics and that is exactly what I try and do so I don't fall for one or any party's propaganda.

 

[DanTravis62]

I'm fairly certain there are a multitude of jobs Americans don't want to do that are still being done by Americans. Plus there are legal ways for foreign workers to come and work in the US. Though I believe that all resources should be used to hire US citizens first before those avenues are used. Foreign labor shouldn't be used as a substitute for domestic workers or a form of cheap labor.

And if for whatever reason the labor pool starts to dry up completely in that industry it'll just drive innovation to find automated solutions.

All of that hemming and hawwing about whether americans will or won't do specific jobs is kind of distracting from the crux of the issue though

If a business has to import what amounts to slaves/indentured servants to do a specific job, then they aren't paying what that job is actually worth in an actually free market. They are bypassing the market to artificially create profit margins for themselves.

It's ironic because the people who are hardline Milton Friedman "the free market is everything" never account for the movement of labor in their supposedly "Free" markets. Funny how it's only a "free" market when it fucks over native citizens.

 

[Findthetone1]

I wasn't pointing the finger at you ,and sorry if it came off that way ... just stating how much discourse this thread has generated.

Fair enough. Feel free to point. I know I'm being an asshole. But it's warranted in some.

The follow are disqualifiers for any kind of rational political discussion:

Massive spamming of anti-Trump/conservative/religion gifs and memes
The use of the phrases: Orange God, Trump worshipper,right wing,right wing extremist, etc.
Use of the words: Fascist,nazi,racist, etc.

Any poster that is an obvious alt account and/or lies constantly about where they are or who they are.

The people that post with that or have responses like that are clearly here to do nothing but troll, or are so delusional that they don't possess independant or critical thought. So why bother?

 

[MadAsAHatter]

It's always good to look a bit deeper into everything posted on statistics and that is exactly what I try and do so I don't fall for one or any party's propaganda.

That was more a dig on JD always posting "sources" to affirm his bias and letting other's do the thinking for him. He's done nothing but try to stir shit up and be completely dishonest & disingenuous since day one.

Good that you try to look deeper and past the propaganda. Most people here can have a generally civil conversation as long as you're being genuine; even if there is disagreement.