Mojotone price increase !!!

[The~Kid]

I mean MojoTone ain't the only game in town

 

[Sirloin]

https://guitarcabinetsdirect.com/cabinets/marshall-412-slant-ext/

 

[Mike Oxhuge]

I don't wish small business owners any suffering however did you think of any of us manufacturing people when we suffered and lost wages and jobs when these tariffs were originally eliminated years ago? I lost hundreds of thousands in wages from wage beat downs and closing plants. Not your problem so I didn't whine about it on a guitar forum. I went ahead and worked harder and made it and voted for someone who would reverse the destruction of America and the dependance on slave labor. I also had my own business in that time and some product wasn't profitable because of free trade so I switched what I produced. Oh well that's how it goes. Perspective is different for everyone. I didn't piss and moan. hard work is the only consistent way to make money. And sometimes you gotta switch up product produced. I mean you wouldn't fucking start a newspaper now would you?

 

[MadAsAHatter]

Yeah when you build a complete amp, you’re looking at an increase of at least 20-30%. A $3500 amp is now up to $4550. No one will pay $1k extra for the same thing so it comes out of profits from the builder.

I'm not trying to criticize you or anything but I think your math is a bit misleading. You're talking about increasing consumer costs by 30% which would actually put more profit in your pocket even with tariffs.

To show the math.
And I'm excluding labor because that would be a constant.

Let's say before any of the tariffs took effect it cost $1500 in materials and you sold the amp for $3500
3500 - 1500 = $2000 profit

Now it cost you an extra 30% in materials and you want to keep the same $2000 in profit
1500 + 30% = $1950 material cost
X consumer cost - 1950 = $2000 profit
X = $3950 consumer cost to retain a $2000 profit; a customer price increase of $450

What you're showing is increasing the consumer cost by 30% because tariffs increased material costs by 30%
We've established that:
1500 + 30% = 1950 (an increase of $450)
3500 + 30% = 4550 (an increase of $1050)

So
1950 - 4550 = $2600 profit
You've increased your profits by $600 from previous.

To keep the same $2000 profit consumer cost should increase by $450; not $1050, which is more palatable for a customer to absorb; from $3500 to $3950 vs $4550

If every step along the way is using their customer cost as the baseline to add % tariff, they add to their profits and prices just become exponential for the end user. I'd consider this (and again not you specifically, just in general terms) price gouging.

 

[Shask]

Sucks, as I was looking at getting one. I will have to look at all the options. Between this and the other thread about Eminence raising prices, we will have to see if I ever get this cab, lol.

 

[Floyd Eye]

I for one specifically made it a point not to make this political. As a business owner, I refrain from making political statements and opinions in public forums. There are many times I’d love to interject my partisan opinions, but I don’t appreciate businesses that do that. You alienate one portion of your customer base and you really should be unbiased as a business, in my opinion.

Even though I don’t agree with someone’s political stance, I can respect it (most the time, within reason).

I didn’t post my original statement with the intent of taking sides politically. But I do think people need to hear first hand, real-world experience from a business owner about the reality of tariffs and the issues they create.

As I said in my original post, the first response is always, “buy parts from the US then, and don’t pay tariffs.”

Buying parts from the US will cost even more than paying tariffs in most cases. And prices for the end consumer will be so high that you won’t sell anything and can’t compete. People think it’s some sort of easy solution until you’re in the position to actually have to buy the parts.

I seriously doubt I could even find half the parts needed to build an amp all Made in USA. Things like chassis, transformers and head shells I get from the US. But the electrical parts, good luck. And as said, the cost would be so prohibitive you’d never make a profit.

So in this thread you have said two things that stand out to me.

A) You were fine with other people paying more and only complained when it started costing you more.

B) You are bemoaning the fact that the cheap, Chinese bullshit that has inundated the US marketplace is now going to cost you more, just not as much as actually buying US made products.

 

[JDs Couch]

So in this thread you have said two things that stand out to me.

A) You were fine with other people paying more and only complained when it started costing you more.

B) You are bemoaning the fact that the cheap, Chinese bullshit that has inundated the US marketplace is now going to cost you more, just not as much as actually buying US made products.

I'm sure no one would find a product or any parts made in China in your house, right?

 

[Findthetone1]

I'm sure no one would find a product or any parts made in China in your house, right?

 

[espquade]

I'm not angry. I'm pointing you to economic facts that show you're wrong and have no understanding of what's going on. Those are two different things.

Ok your saying he is wrong, but as he mentioned he owns his own business and it has been impacted in a negative way because of the tariffs, but apparently you seem to know more than he does about his own business.

I guess your also going to tell us all that grocery prices have gone down as well ... right?

 

[BABMusic]

Why would that ever need to be done?

If you're asking why does the government expand the money supply and credit? It's for several reasons. One, it makes our country look wealthier than we are. If you can borrow more money with debt, you can buy more things. More credit = more you can buy. That's one reason why homes prices went up so much, was because of cheap credit. The second reason is because by increasing money supply, it starts to make the government's debts get reduced. Our government loves inflation because of this. And thirdly, more inflation makes life harder for the middle class and those really struggling. The government loves this because it makes the voters more likely to blame the big businesses for the higher cost of living, thus they vote for candidates that will "save them".

If you were asking about why tariffs needs to be done, I don't think they need to be done. It's more complex though when you consider other countries did have them on us for years. There were tariffs on some wood imports from Canada before Trump imposed his additional tariffs. However, I remain doubtful that the new tariffs it will benefit the US. That doesn't mean I am suggesting that Harris was a better choice, I'm just stating I don't agree with Trump on everything.

 

[RaceU4her]

i cant believe people are arguing over tariffs, that never happens

 

[espquade]

i cant believe people are arguing over tariffs, that never happens

Yeah, we need to get back to Rock and Roll!!!

 

[GOHOINC]

So who exactly dialed up all this political bullshit when the components of a guitar cabinet can easily be sourced from the US where you pay zero tariffs? Casters from SCC in West Reading, Tolex from Keyline in Trenton, plywood from a million mills all over the US.

If you specifically select foreign made speakers that's the only component that should be subject to rariffs.

Methinks we have more than a few butthurt europeons and chinese bots in here.

Some things to consider...

1. There are only about 2,500 mill businesses operating in the US. If you expand that to other types of wood production, only about 3,000. This feels at least slightly south of "a MILLION mills"... and that wood has to come from somewhere, theres alot more wood from outside the US than there is in it...
2. SCC Casters distributes casters from over 200 manufacturers worldwide. They make SOME of their casters in the US, but these are mostly metal/ cast wheel and likely not used on cabs.
3. Kayline is a laminator / embosser of films. These raw material films are generally speaking not US made.

 

[Rackman]

Some things to consider...

1. There are only about 2,500 mill businesses operating in the US. If you expand that to other types of wood production, only about 3,000. This feels at least slightly south of "a MILLION mills"...

Are you serious?

That thing flying just over your head was a bundle of void-free birch plywood made in a US mill, and flying just above that was the point.

 

[espquade]

Are you serious?

That thing flying just over your head was a bundle of void-free birch plywood made in a US mill, and flying just above that was the point.

From his quote .
SCC Casters distributes casters from over 200 manufacturers worldwide. They make SOME of their casters in the US, but these are mostly metal/ cast wheel and likely not used on cabs.
3. Kayline is a laminator / embosser of films. These raw material films are generally speaking not US made

I don't believe he was talking just about wood if you somehow missed that?
..
Since facts don't align with your narrative , Please continue to go and keep drinking whatever it is that you are drinking.

Some kind of Orange Kool Aid I presume???

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Get used to it. Tariffs are out of control. I’m paying a lot of extra money in tariffs for parts to mod and build amps. Up to 44% extra.

Everyone thinks other countries are absorbing these costs. They 100% are not. They are all passed on to the consumer in the US. It’s a tax on Americans disguised and sold as a tariff on other countries.

The common response is, “well, buy US made products then.” That’s totally and completely unrealistic. Go source parts to build an amp
from the US. Not going to happen. They’re all made overseas.

Trust me, I thought these tariffs were a good idea until I realized how they work. I have to raise my prices to compensate. So it creates inflation as well.

All these billions coming in are coming out of American small business owners’ pockets. And then these $2k checks will supposedly go out. But guys like me won’t see a dime because we work our asses off and make too much money, even though we are the ones paying the bulk of the tariffs. Not that I want any government subsidies anyway.

I avoid politics as much as possible but this isn’t taking sides or being partisan, it’s just a fact. Once these tariffs affect you personally and your ability to make a living you’ll really start to understand. I’ve realized it’s easy to shift the blame and think it’s not a big deal when it doesn’t affect you directly.

I’m sure Mojotone is getting a lot of material from overseas and this is a way to combat loss of profits. Can’t blame them.

I can tell you as a Canadian customer, it has all but stopped my purchases of anything from the states. Not due to principle or other but simple just the cost. Not even a year ago I had bought a unit from Audioscape for 150$ cheaper than what it is going for now. It seems like they have had jumps across the board in gear and I would suspect that it is likely to offset their increased costs in manufacturing because they have to eat costs. Even some cool mics I was looking into. Shipping, duties, price increases. Just not worth it for me now with how piss poor our Canadian dollar is and then the 10-15% price hikes I am seeing. Really does suck for everyone but hey, Tariffs baby! Show those billions coming in at the expense of all your businesses eating it. Truth is we are all getting bent over. Our food prices up here are stupid too for the same reason. Grocery chains everywhere are winning though. We foot the bill and they increase the costs + a small bit for their own gain because they know they can get away with it and that people need to eat.

 

[GOHOINC]

Are you serious?

That thing flying just over your head was a bundle of void-free birch plywood made in a US mill, and flying just above that was the point.

Am I serious about what?

You used "Data" to support an argument. I'm questioning your "Data". If the data used to support an argument is not accurate or valid data, then the argument itself is not accurate or valid.

You implied switching to US made wood should be easy because the wood would be readily available from a million mills. There aren't a million mills, so its not as easy as you imply. You imply its easy to get other components in the US and alleviate the burden of tariffs when those components are simply distributed by a US company or otherwise US manufactured from materials coming from outside the US, therefore still subject to tariffs, and again invalidating your argument.

I'm sorry you proposed an argument that was not well thought out, researched, or even valid. Im not sorry for calling you out on it. Do better.

 

[Rackman]

Am I serious about what?

You are serious! This is becoming more and more amusing

A "million" mills is what's called a figure of speach you numbnuts. That doesn't actually mean there's a million plywood mills in the US.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

So in this thread you have said two things that stand out to me.

A) You were fine with other people paying more and only complained when it started costing you more.

B) You are bemoaning the fact that the cheap, Chinese bullshit that has inundated the US marketplace is now going to cost you more, just not as much as actually buying US made products.

He's saying that an equivalent US made product A. is not readily and quickly available and B. Would cost way more thus driving the cost of the product up. People aren't going to pay 20% more for "quality" when they are already paying 15-20% more for groceries and still getting the same salary as they did 5 years ago without even a 1-2% raise to account for cost of living. It's great to say " Buy American" but what are your options and how much do those cost?? I would say "Assembled in the US" at best for quality but none of us can turn back the hands of time and prevent the Chinese from conquering our markets with affordable "widgets" which fill every single gap in everything. From resistors to switches etc etc.

 

[GOHOINC]

Yes, I am amused.

People who use figures of speech to make vapid arguments appear valid, make me laugh. Its like listening to my 4 year old explain her make believe. Its great fun, thanks.