2204 vs 2203

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TheToneDig said:
How do you know this? Do you have a source? That is basically my source. Obviously, you don't like the guy or have issues with him. Yet AC/DC didn't. So what gives?
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Because Trace is well known for abandoning the small people to run off to amp tech for extravagant players, sometimes for over a year, and still charges inane prices. For example he’s tried to charge $220/hr for non-technical questions to customers. If that doesn’t spell asshole out, I don’t know what does. I used to like Trace but no more.
 
Alright... here is a comparison between a 50 watt Friedman Smallbox and a 100 watt JEL100, both on Friedmans plexi channel.

Which amp sounds bigger and punches more?

I'm not talking about sounding good...the smallbox sounds awesome and every bit as good as the JEL. I know this is a YT vid but to me it quite obvious even though I'm not in the room to feel the dynamics between the two amp. I thought this might fit into the discussion...
 
Smashedguitarist said:
I fucking Love this guy. I wish you would change your avatar to a fire engine. @VESmedic @DanTravis62 It's fucking christmas come early

". On a track, you will rarely tell the difference in a mix except where absolutely necessary for a 100W to cover whatever frequencies you want that aren't in the 50W." Well it appears we have some frequencies that are in the bigger amps that don't make it to lower amps, afterall...Hmm. Hope this edit made it's way into the book.

"The guitar is a mid-range instrument." This right here is priceless information. All of us that are midscooping....tut tut. That's why we are all lost in the mix. I am curious, though. Everyone ('Wise experienced Non metal guys') talks about getting lost in a mix midscooping. But can you scoop the mids enough on a Marshall or Wizard to ever get lost in the mix? lmao

"100W amps are already 99W too loud for any small room so if you want PT distortion then you are obviously in for an attenuator, power staging or an isolation cab." I know it is complicated to understand, but we consistently try to explain to you that we are not cranking on 10. We play metal. We don't play mush..Why don't you find a forum of rock players, not metal players? Maybe then you would fit in a bit better, and not look like such a dumb bitch. Jesus. You are as Thick headed as a Mule and as Dumb as one, too
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How do we fucking ban this guy?
 
Also, I can’t think of a single record I love in the heavy genre over the last 30-40 years that the main rhythm tones were anything less than 100 watts. Gee… I wonder why that is? But, I guess since thetonedick wrote a book on it, and says that studios are all using -23 watt amps, I guess I’ll believe it!
 
You all really need to go to thetonedicks website. I’m pretty sure a child made it. He also has excerpts from his book and by god is it god damn amazing. I’d LOVE to read the chapters on mic placement and DI’s, I’m sure there is a toilet bowl of garbage information there that is sure to make other newb guitarists think this guy has a clue about anything. Lord help us.
 
VESmedic said:
You all really need to go to thetonedicks website. I’m pretty sure a child made it. He also has excerpts from his book and by god is it god damn amazing. I’d LOVE to read the chapters on mic placement and DI’s, I’m sure there is a toilet bowl of garbage information there that is sure to make other newb guitarists think this guy has a clue about anything. Lord help us.
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Well, fucking link us! Don't leave us hanging...
 
harddriver said:
Alright... here is a comparison between a 50 watt Friedman Smallbox and a 100 watt JEL100, both on Friedmans plexi channel.

Which amp sounds bigger and punches more?

I'm not talking about sounding good...the smallbox sounds awesome and every bit as good as the JEL. I know this is a YT vid but to me it quite obvious even though I'm not in the room to feel the dynamics between the two amp. I thought this might fit into the discussion...
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These are good. Yes, the 100 has some differences from a 50W and the 50W from 30W and so on. As it stands though any of those amps can compete with the loudest drummer out there. What they won't compete with is another higher wattage amp on higher volume, except maybe if the frequency ranges got divided up like dual guitarists.

However, and here comes the rub. That's a shootout. If you did a blind test, other things start happening when people can't see the amps. In a mix, then it becomes a chore identifying the model let alone wattage. That's just the way it is. Unless someone is claiming they have the gift of being able to do that, then for me and I think most people, it's often random guesswork when we look at the final stats on who guessed what.

I certainly don't have those abilities. I can determine the model and maybe that's about it.
 
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TheToneDig said:
These are good. Yes, the 100 has some differences from a 50W and the 50W from 30W and so on. As it stands though any of those amps can compete with the loudest drummer out there. What they won't compete with is another higher wattage amp on higher volume, except maybe if the frequency ranges got divided up like dual guitarists.

However, and here comes the rub. That's a shootout. If you did a blind test, other things start happening when people can't see the amps. In a mix, then it becomes a choir identifying the model let alone wattage. That's just the way it is. Unless someone is claiming they have the gift of being able to do that, then for me and I think most people, it's often random guesswork when we look at the final stats on who guessed what.

I certainly don't have those abilities. I can determine the model and maybe that's about it.
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You can’t find your way out of a wet paper bag, let alone identify an amp tone.
 
harddriver said:
Alright... here is a comparison between a 50 watt Friedman Smallbox and a 100 watt JEL100, both on Friedmans plexi channel.

Which amp sounds bigger and punches more?

I'm not talking about sounding good...the smallbox sounds awesome and every bit as good as the JEL. I know this is a YT vid but to me it quite obvious even though I'm not in the room to feel the dynamics between the two amp. I thought this might fit into the discussion...
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I will say one thing, that JE100 is one badass sounding amp. I’d love to own one. Definitely JCM800 style.
 
Smashedguitarist said:
Man, that small box sounds really good. Really good. Everyone says Friedman is really smooth, but that amp sounded Right.
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Also what I think sounds really good is the Wampler Tumnus OD he is boosting both amps with it's making me want to check out a Tumnus now and I have already been down the Klon road once..... dammit...:p

The Smallbox sounds fantastic to my ears and he is using a 4x12 EVH which I assume has Greenbacks in it.

Both amps are at comparable volumes in this video...the JEL100 just sounds bigger and punches more end of story.

@Tonedig... I'm not coming at this from just a listeners perspective, I am also coming at this from a players perspective who owns 50 and 100 watt amps and in my experience what I see and hear with my own amps I hear distinctly in this video with the JEL100 and Smallbox and I imagine more players than not can hear it too. We've had the same discussion and blind sound bite tests about modeling sounding exactly like real recorded tube amps and for the most part those with honest discerning ears could hear a difference even as slight as those differences were.

Now as a player put the guitar player in front of those two amps and the playing experience will be different for the player...guaranteed.
 
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VESmedic said:
Also, I can’t think of a single record I love in the heavy genre over the last 30-40 years that the main rhythm tones were anything less than 100 watts. Gee… I wonder why that is? But, I guess since thetonedick wrote a book on it, and says that studios are all using -23 watt amps, I guess I’ll believe it!
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Not 100% true.... Michael Schenker played exclusively 50 watt Marshalls(some of my favorite tones) as well as many more I'm sure but I do agree tons of my favorite players used the 100 watters in the 60's and 70's for sheer volume, alot of the guitars didn't get mic'd alot of times at some venues.
 
More JEL100 from Craginshred77...Is it just me or is the less compression of the JEL100 versus the BE100 much more traditional Marshall?



 
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harddriver said:
Not 100% true.... Michael Schenker played exclusively 50 watt Marshalls(some of my favorite tones) as well as many more I'm sure but I do agree tons of my favorite players used the 100 watters in the 60's and 70's for sheer volume, alot of the guitars didn't get mic'd alot of times at some venues.
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I said MY favorite tones, in the heavier genre of music, and not in the 60s or 70s before preamp overdrive was a thing.
 
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