Attention Brad

[jcj]

@ bonedarrell

My last try, then you can get an AMEN!!!!

Brad's being a good guy comes into play with the administration, follow through, (and advocacy for) the guys who didn't get an amp being made whole; ie witholding payment from Mark until there is enough money that those people have a shot at getting an amp.

Here are some facts-

Licensing Mark's designs wasn't free.

Mark's share of any futiure profits are being held until those people are made whole (as was agreed).

If the amps sell enough, Mark's share of the money (not Brad's, Rob's, or Dave's) will be used to make whole the people that didn't receive their amps directly from Mark.

Enter Brad and Company's good will- They're willing to play middle man (or were, in some cases)....

If you've managed to piss off the guy who is willing to help you get an amp (btw...real fucking slick, OP), then your recourse is trying to get your money from Mark. Of course that would be when and if Cameron amplification is profitable, and he's receiving royalties or licensing fees, or whatever you'd like to term the compensation.

Mark's being there doesn't have any bearing on when or if those people will receive amps, sales and Brad and Company's willingness to play middle man do.

Hope that makes what I was trying to say really clear. If not, I give

And as promised.....AMEN!!!!

OK. I completely understand what your point and position is. Do you agree that if Mark's share of the profits are now eaten up by new circumstances unforeseen, then there is nothing Brad can do.....willing or not willing?? We just have to agree to disagree bro. You are assuming now that Mark is gone, there are extra profits laying around. I doubt that is the case. Regardless, we just have a fundamental difference of opinion. How about dropping this and we just go play our guitars?? Sound good??

I'd agree completey, if Mark's compensation were a flat fee; it's not, it's a percentage.

No assumption of "extra" profit. Profit is profit, and a percentage is a percentage.

Other than that, we agree completely

BTW- You seem like a good guy ..... and for the record, my position is the only person that should be responsible for paying for those amps is Mark.

Ok, this is my last time at the pulpit on this matter (I am already tired of me, so I am sure most are as well). A flat fee would "support" your position. Mark gets his money no matter how the COB or profits change. The fact that he gets a % supports my position. If the COB increases then 10% of $100 profit is now much different than 10% of $1000 profit. A business deal based on %'s can be zero or even negative. They are moving targets. Flat fees aren't. So now, if the COB has now increased for some reason, can you see you the % of "Mark's profit" could possibly be gone or even negative? The defense rests.

Btw, you seem like a good guy too. This is a healthy debate and you have conducted yourself like a gentleman....props!!

I'm tired of me too, so my last post on this...

We have to assume the viability of the business, otherwise the whole discussion is moot; if the business isn't turning a profit, the doors are closed.

All that aside, props to you, as well

I hate these threads...normally just shit storms...way to keep it spirited, but not shitty...nice work!

 

[tfridgen]

@ bonedarrell

My last try, then you can get an AMEN!!!!

Brad's being a good guy comes into play with the administration, follow through, (and advocacy for) the guys who didn't get an amp being made whole; ie witholding payment from Mark until there is enough money that those people have a shot at getting an amp.

Here are some facts-

Licensing Mark's designs wasn't free.

Mark's share of any futiure profits are being held until those people are made whole (as was agreed).

If the amps sell enough, Mark's share of the money (not Brad's, Rob's, or Dave's) will be used to make whole the people that didn't receive their amps directly from Mark.

Enter Brad and Company's good will- They're willing to play middle man (or were, in some cases)....

If you've managed to piss off the guy who is willing to help you get an amp (btw...real fucking slick, OP), then your recourse is trying to get your money from Mark. Of course that would be when and if Cameron amplification is profitable, and he's receiving royalties or licensing fees, or whatever you'd like to term the compensation.

Mark's being there doesn't have any bearing on when or if those people will receive amps, sales and Brad and Company's willingness to play middle man do.

Hope that makes what I was trying to say really clear. If not, I give

And as promised.....AMEN!!!!

OK. I completely understand what your point and position is. Do you agree that if Mark's share of the profits are now eaten up by new circumstances unforeseen, then there is nothing Brad can do.....willing or not willing?? We just have to agree to disagree bro. You are assuming now that Mark is gone, there are extra profits laying around. I doubt that is the case. Regardless, we just have a fundamental difference of opinion. How about dropping this and we just go play our guitars?? Sound good??

I'd agree completey, if Mark's compensation were a flat fee; it's not, it's a percentage.

No assumption of "extra" profit. Profit is profit, and a percentage is a percentage.

Other than that, we agree completely

BTW- You seem like a good guy ..... and for the record, my position is the only person that should be responsible for paying for those amps is Mark.

Ok, this is my last time at the pulpit on this matter (I am already tired of me, so I am sure most are as well). A flat fee would "support" your position. Mark gets his money no matter how the COB or profits change. The fact that he gets a % supports my position. If the COB increases then 10% of $100 profit is now much different than 10% of $1000 profit. A business deal based on %'s can be zero or even negative. They are moving targets. Flat fees aren't. So now, if the COB has now increased for some reason, can you see you the % of "Mark's profit" could possibly be gone or even negative? The defense rests.

Btw, you seem like a good guy too. This is a healthy debate and you have conducted yourself like a gentleman....props!!

I'm tired of me too, so my last post on this...

We have to assume the viability of the business, otherwise the whole discussion is moot; if the business isn't turning a profit, the doors are closed.

All that aside, props to you, as well

I hate these threads...normally just shit storms...way to keep it spirited, but not shitty...nice work!

Jeez, why don't you two just get a room already ...

 

[rlord1974]

Is Mark's percentage on gross revenue or net profits?

Enquiring minds wanna know.....

 

[rlord1974]

BTW: Even though I despise its origins, this has clearly become the "Thread of the Day"......

 

[LP Freak]

This thread is a disgrace.

 

[rlord1974]

Embrace it!

 

[Ventura]

Holy shit chumbucket, where'd ya get the Adolf kitty?!?!?

That's just awesome....

As for the rest of this thread:

 

[rsm]

wow. just wow. really?

to the OP: acting like a whining and sniveling douche-nozzle to the only person who could have helped (and who has no obligation to do so) make things right for ya...not a good idea.


Brad, sad to say, I doubt this will be the last public douche-nozzle whining and sniveling episode you'll be seeing. The misplaced sense of entitlement of some folks is truly astounding to see.

 

[Sierra Voodoo]

Brad, don't let anyone provoke you into being something or doing something that is not you.

+1........Hang tough Brad.

 

[chumbucket]

Holy shit chumbucket, where'd ya get the Adolf kitty?!?!?
That's just awesome....

You mean that you've never seen the site http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com?

 

[jabps]

I agree with some above...probably needs a name change. Granted it needs to recognize it's designer...like Brad pointed out but at the same time the Cameron name has alot of negative attached to it.

While you can't come totally clean simply because it's Marks design you very well could market the amp under Brads (or other) name as Cameron designed. No different than say...and granted this isn't the best example but Line 6 / by Bogner. Might help with the ability to market the amp to a larger base. Then again that price tag has it's limitations. Granted there might be some legal issue's with Brad and the rest of the guys who are involved in producing the amp that would prevent the name change...maybe Brad will comment.

 

[HerbieBoogie]

i dont understand what is happening

 

[Ventura]

Holy shit chumbucket, where'd ya get the Adolf kitty?!?!?
That's just awesome....

You mean that you've never seen the site http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com?

Oh now this has just totally made this thread WORTHY... No, I've never heard of this website but I'll be eternally indebted to you for passing it on to me. Thank you

Awesome!!
Mo

 

[Ventura]

i dont understand what is happening

 

[HerbieBoogie]

i never thought a rig forum could be so high strung. here is a bear that waves.

 

[twenty4_7spy]

i dont understand what is happening

You are not alone:

 

[gtrwun]

How many times does the guy who owns the company, have to say he isn't gonna change the name? Lol......

 

[THEE HAMMER]

I am one of the 12 or 14 people that are owed a CCV from "Cameron Amps"....

Ultimately though your beef is with Mark. Contact Psychodave..... he seems to be able to find Mark and has the magic "touch" to get him to do his bidding.


Yeah I said it.

You are correct, but Brad did say he would do his best to cleanse the Cameron Karma and get us our amps. I'm still hopefull that it will happen and Brad hasn't said anything to the contrary.

Hey John!


(on a separate note)

I sent Mark $ despite tons of people telling me not to, but I feel for people in a pinch. Mark made plenty of offers to me and honestly I would love to have had it in proper legally binding writing... but oh well. I love the Jose/Cameron tones and i'm glad that some have made their ways out onto the market.

 

[RedRider]

Didnt notice this was 4 pages deep and hit reply after first page..LOL...I got nothing to say that hasnt already been said and there is no delete post button!! LOLOL

 

[King Loudness]

The ONLY way I'd ever buy a Cameron is through Brad... 'nuff said.

W.