Shark Diver
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Sounds pretty sweet. He said on TGP that it was a first attempt and he has since been able to even get better results.
matt
Member
I wonder how well it could do Dino's demanufacture tone? one of my top 5 tones of all time...
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GtarLover
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Thanks for this!! I was waiting to see a demo like this. I don't have reaper or whatever, so will need to use the simple iTunes method. Sounds like it will be pretty slick once I get the hang of it.
Looking forward to giving it a try sometime this weekend.
Looking forward to giving it a try sometime this weekend.
supersonic
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Seems like a great tool. But unfortunately I have no idea what he is talking about. I'll stick with my amp head.
shred-o-holic
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matt":2ydirfgh said:
You have instantly become one of my best friends on this board.....
I chased that tone for years.....
jlbaxe
Banned
Active member
When Matching the tone with your guitar you should pan the guitar left or right and not use stereo for best results. 
Spaceboy
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I was trying to find some guitar tracks from Demanufacture the other day for tone matching, but couldn't come up with anything.matt":1q213dj2 said:
The Hoff
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You can download reaper. It's free. It is worth having regardless.GtarLover":16lt30hd said:
The tone matching feature seems pretty good. Might have to buy another Axe II!
shred-o-holic
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Spaceboy":x64eyban said:
If you could just pull the drums out of the song "Demanufacture" or "Self Bias Resistor" right at the beginning of either you would have a great sample..
Audioholic
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tone match is VERY cool, hearing lots of great examples, though it is and always will be limited to the axe Fx ability to produce sound...
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jcj
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I definitely hear differences, but it doesn't sound like anything that couldn't be slightly tweaked for a better result.....what a great tool for covers!
Audioholic
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jcj":196v0puh said:I definitely hear differences, but it doesn't sound like anything that couldn't be slightly tweaked for a better result.....what a great tool for covers!
haha, I know, cover bands are now in their glory. there was a cool clip posted tone matching a viola, def opens up to possibilities.
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jcj
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Audioholic":30m2gg3e said:jcj":30m2gg3e said:I definitely hear differences, but it doesn't sound like anything that couldn't be slightly tweaked for a better result.....what a great tool for covers!
haha, I know, cover bands are now in their glory. there was a cool clip posted tone matching a viola, def opens up to possibilities.
Link?
Audioholic
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someone matched a viola...
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... ?t=1073260
though I am not sure if his guitar is playing the part in the tone match yet
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... ?t=1073260
though I am not sure if his guitar is playing the part in the tone match yet
BYTOR
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^ A You Tube clip of a viola is playing for the first half of the clip and then his guitar plays the second half
Audioholic
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BYTOR":3jqbucwd said:
he played the second part near perfect with bends and notes / timing and vibrato then to the original file which is why I am wondering if thats really the case, if so thats very nice.
BYTOR
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Any good quality clip of a tube amp or an isolated guitar part of a song can be matched amazingly well. The ability of the user to setup a pre-existing amp in the Axe-II to sound as close as possible to the clip they are about to copy, will be the difference between pretty good matches and amazing ones.
The great thing about the Axe-II is that all the Tonestacks of the amps are already in the box, and since 6.0 the basic tone control knob settings are pretty dead on accurate to their real world counterparts. So unlike the Kemper, with the Axe you can then adjust the gain structure etc... after the match is done and it will be true to how the real amps gain & tone controls respond.
When a profile is done in the Kemper you can't stray too far from the gain setting that was profiled or it starts to sound fake. This is because the Kemper does not have any of the tube amps tonestacks in the unit.
The reason some people think the Kemper sounds better or more plug & play friendly out the box is because the kemper mostly "EQ" profiles the amp & cab as one profile, so if the profile is good then the user does not have to worry about finding a cab/IR to match it and tweak the cab/IR to sound good with the amp. It is all essentially already "baked in".
With the Axe modeling, the cab is not included in the process, so the user has to deal with the matching cab/IR issue. With Tone "EQ" Matching, the Axe-II user now essentially can create that "baked in" amp/cab thing, so that is why the process for the Axe user will be much more user friendly going forward.
The great thing about the Axe-II is that all the Tonestacks of the amps are already in the box, and since 6.0 the basic tone control knob settings are pretty dead on accurate to their real world counterparts. So unlike the Kemper, with the Axe you can then adjust the gain structure etc... after the match is done and it will be true to how the real amps gain & tone controls respond.
When a profile is done in the Kemper you can't stray too far from the gain setting that was profiled or it starts to sound fake. This is because the Kemper does not have any of the tube amps tonestacks in the unit.
The reason some people think the Kemper sounds better or more plug & play friendly out the box is because the kemper mostly "EQ" profiles the amp & cab as one profile, so if the profile is good then the user does not have to worry about finding a cab/IR to match it and tweak the cab/IR to sound good with the amp. It is all essentially already "baked in".
With the Axe modeling, the cab is not included in the process, so the user has to deal with the matching cab/IR issue. With Tone "EQ" Matching, the Axe-II user now essentially can create that "baked in" amp/cab thing, so that is why the process for the Axe user will be much more user friendly going forward.
Audioholic
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BYTOR":1av4i0wi said:
I had the same guy try to tone match my Kemper 5153 patch and it didn't sound anything like my Kemper patch really, and I much preffered my profile, it sounded more amp like and natural to me just like my amp did when I profiled it. The viola clip here, sonically they don't sound alike, the eq difference is quite dramatic, but I was more impressed with the synthy emulation. The same guitarist didn't play anything what I played when I posted a clip to tone match which is why I am curious if its in fact him playing note for note here. not trying to fault, just figure out what is happening... If he did play note for note and vibrato for vibrato then that is very cool and impressive! I also posted another file to tone match but it was said it could'nt be tone matched without a 7 string guitar, which is what I was using, even though I was playing some passages in standard A and E. It was said it would add non correct low info if not using the same type of guitar, so there may be limitations??
To me you can stray pretty far in gain and it still sounds amp like in the kemper, maybe not as accurate to the original amp, but I wouldn't use the word fake personally.
I think tonematching is very cool and certainly usefull, but I think it also is confined to the sound generating and tone stacks within the Axe FX, which is both good and bad. Def a cool tool, but I am still finding the kemper sounds more natural and amp like when it matches an amp. But of course its not tone matching audio files, which is a neat tool for sure...
Here was my clip to tone match...
http://www.energiestudios.com/Files/tonematch.wav
here was the tone match
https://soundcloud.com/zentman/audioholic2
I am intrigued by tonematch, though for probably different reasons for your normal player chasing a bands sound and tone. Not trying to find fault with it, but the nerd in me is trying to understand all that is happening, and possible and its limitations as well
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jcj
Well-known member
I can't wait for people to get a better handle on this....very interesting 
matt
Member
shred-o-holic":f3x2ue0a said:matt":f3x2ue0a said:
You have instantly become one of my best friends on this board.....
I chased that tone for years.....
LOL
cheers buddy, its definitely one of my holy grails of tone...
I was thinking the beginning of Body Hammer would be good for a tonematch, but that synth thing in the background might screw it up.