Best 2x12 cabinet/speakers for Bogner Snorkler 50 head

[Old School Steve]

@LP Freak
@Jdub

Since I'll need to remove a speaker from the standard 2x12 Bogner cabinet to make room for the 25w GB, which cabinet should I buy as the starting point: V30 pair, or V30 + G12H creamback 65w?

The reason for my asking is in the event one of them sounds pretty good "as is" with the Snorkler, then it allows me some time to buy the greenback speaker and do the swap, and provides for a backup speaker should I want to change the sound later.

 

[LP Freak]

@LP Freak
@Jdub

Since I'll need to remove a speaker from the standard 2x12 Bogner cabinet to make room for the 25w GB, which cabinet should I buy as the starting point: V30 pair, or V30 + G12H creamback 65w?

The reason for my asking is in the event one of them sounds pretty good "as is" with the Snorkler, then it allows me some time to buy the greenback speaker and do the swap, and provides for a backup speaker should I want to change the sound later.

It’s your call, but the creamback is going to sound closer to the greenback

 

[Jdub]

@LP Freak
@Jdub

Since I'll need to remove a speaker from the standard 2x12 Bogner cabinet to make room for the 25w GB, which cabinet should I buy as the starting point: V30 pair, or V30 + G12H creamback 65w?

The reason for my asking is in the event one of them sounds pretty good "as is" with the Snorkler, then it allows me some time to buy the greenback speaker and do the swap, and provides for a backup speaker should I want to change the sound later.

I would get the v30 /creamback. plus. that is the Helios config and that cab is standard in regular tolex. the 2 V30 cab come standard in Comet. I prefer the regular tolex. ymmv

 

[Old School Steve]

I would get the v30 /creamback. plus. that is the Helios config and that cab is standard in regular tolex. the 2 V30 cab come standard in Comet. I prefer the regular tolex. ymmv

Interestingly, I prefer the Comet (it's on my Goldfinger 2x12 cabinet) - but in this case, I did locate a V30/G12H creamback cabinet in the regular tolex and am buying it (it will match the Snorkler head).

Thanks for the advice.

 

[LP Freak]

Interestingly, I prefer the Comet (it's on my Goldfinger 2x12 cabinet) - but in this case, I did locate a V30/G12H creamback cabinet in the regular tolex and am buying it (it will match the Snorkler head).

Thanks for the advice.

Regular tolex sounds better

 

[Rackman]

I always find the V30/GB (or worse Creamback 65) mix a little amusing. There's enough efficiency difference between the two that what you're really listening to is mostly V30. Basically it's a way to enjoy V30s for people who are too snobby to just get a V30 cab an enjoy them unironically

 

[Jdub]

I always find the V30/GB (or worse Creamback 65) mix a little amusing. There's enough efficiency difference between the two that what you're really listening to is mostly V30. Basically it's a way to enjoy V30s for people who are too snobby to just get a V30 cab an enjoy them unironically

Surely you jest? My experience having 3 cabs side by side says otherwise and I am much closer to a slob than a snob. It's a surfer thing. we tend to be crusty... comparing 3 cabs . one with 4gb. one with gb/v30. and one with all v30's. ironically the cab with the mix of speakers sounded considerably closer to the all greenbacks cab than it did to the all V30 cab regardless of efficiency discrepancies. Certainly the GB being on top in the mixed cab contributes, but still....... YMMV

 

[Rackman]

Surely you jest?

Nope - there's a big enough efficiency gap (2-3db) with either of those speakers that you're hearing a lot of V30 and very little of the other speaker. It's the same as, when mixing, moving one element down 2-3dB in the mix which is quite a lot. I'm not saying the other speaker is inaudible, just comparatively quiet.

It's funny, because it lets people who pretend to have an issue with a V30s enjoy V30 sound because they "mixed it with another speaker" when really they're listening to the V30 first and foremost. It's a nice little audio placebo for a certain type of cork sniffer.

The V30/H-75 Creamback pairing doesn't have this issue since they're of similar efficiency.

 

[bste328]

I love my sinergy 2x12 with it!

 

[Speeddemon]

It's funny, because it lets people who pretend to have an issue with a V30s enjoy V30 sound because they "mixed it with another speaker" when really they're listening to the V30 first and foremost. It's a nice little audio placebo for a certain type of cork sniffer.

There are a few ways around it;
I have a V30 paired with something else in 2 2x12's;
in the Marshall 1966B (diagonal 2x12), there's a vented T75 on top and a Mesa V30 on the bottom WITH a beam blocker in front of it (and no beamblocker in front of the T75).
In my Mesa vertical 2x12, the Mesa V30 is on the bottom with a beam blocker and a G12-65 on top, which is the slanted part.
The combination of height, slant and beam blocker offsets that 2-3dB difference enough to blend better.

I do agree with you (at least, your mentioning of the sensitivity rating suggests that...) that you shouldn't pair a loud V30 with a weak ass speaker. But if you keep them relatively close to one another, like G12K85's/K100's with V30's for instance, the blend is usually a nice mix.

Based on the YT clips of the Snorkler, I'd venture to say that this amp would benefit from something like a Greenback, G12-65, old-ass T75 (vented) or a K85/K100, for juiciness and beef and the V30 for punch and clarity.

 

[101B /^/]

Nope - there's a big enough efficiency gap (2-3db) with either of those speakers that you're hearing a lot of V30 and very little of the other speaker. It's the same as, when mixing, moving one element down 2-3dB in the mix which is quite a lot. I'm not saying the other speaker is inaudible, just comparatively quiet.

It's funny, because it lets people who pretend to have an issue with a V30s enjoy V30 sound because they "mixed it with another speaker" when really they're listening to the V30 first and foremost. It's a nice little audio placebo for a certain type of cork sniffer.

The V30/H-75 Creamback pairing doesn't have this issue since they're of similar efficiency.

I use Em Governor’s (102.2db) topside in a slant 4x12 w/V30’s (100db) on bottom and would largely agree the gov’s dominate the overall tone. The V30’s on bottom certainly can be heard but more than anything they seem to accentuate, or maybe support / complement the upper mids of the gov’s, so it’s a good mix. Gov’s alone are killer and when I had them x-patterned w/the V30’s it was terrible because of what seemed like weird frequencies, but maybe it was due the differences in speaker sensitivity

 

[Rackman]

Yeah the 102db+ efficiency Eminences drown out V30s pretty dramatically.

 

[Jdub]

Nope - there's a big enough efficiency gap (2-3db) with either of those speakers that you're hearing a lot of V30 and very little of the other speaker. It's the same as, when mixing, moving one element down 2-3dB in the mix which is quite a lot. I'm not saying the other speaker is inaudible, just comparatively quiet.

It's funny, because it lets people who pretend to have an issue with a V30s enjoy V30 sound because they "mixed it with another speaker" when really they're listening to the V30 first and foremost. It's a nice little audio placebo for a certain type of cork sniffer.

The V30/H-75 Creamback pairing doesn't have this issue since they're of similar efficiency.

Who is the cork sniffer? I have zero predisposed issue with any speaker whatsoever, so placebo effect is out the window. I know what I am hearing and my 412 cab with gb/ v30 mix sounds more like my Gb cab than my all v30 cab.. ymmv. Smell the glove?

 

[Rackman]

Yup, physics works different for you than for everyone else. Duly noted and given the weight and consideration it deserves.