Boogie JP2C (Coming Back)

[InFlames235]

I personally don't think it sounds all that bad. If I had bought a new JP2C and loved it, I'd just keep it. Mesa will probably come up with a fix over time anyway. I would think it could be worked around live anyway, and in a band setting with everyone making noise, I doubt an audience would notice much. Some things are more important to others I guess. I personally wouldn't sweat that in the least.

I personally don't want a "fix". I'd rather have the circuit original. In that clip, the volume is practically off. The repeat doesn't scale much with volume up.

For me, I'd rather have it as-is than to alter the circuit so that I avoid a volume jump on a repeat for the 3 seconds of a show when I happen to be holding a delayed, distorted note that's still repeating and switch to my clean channel before the note trails off enough...

Why not just turn off the delay in that one instance before switching channels if it's that bothersome instead of wanting to change the circuit? That would be more important to me.

I can understand why it would be a bigger problem for some folks than it is for me.

So is it ONLY when you're still holding the note and switching to the clean channel or will it still do it if you have trails still going but not holding the note and switching?

 

[NewWorldMan]

So is it ONLY when you're still holding the note and switching to the clean channel or will it still do it if you have trails still going but not holding the note and switching?

If you turn off the delay, there's no issue. I can't speak to whether it's there if you have trails going. Considering Petrucci has been using a pair of them live while switching among the channels and hasn't been complaining, it's certainly not an all the time thing. I can check the trails tomorrow and try to do a clip at decent volume of the switching as well.

If it's an issue for folks, I get it. It is what it is. Just saying it's such a one-off, infrequent scenario for me personally, I'd rather have the original circuit as it is.

This doesn't have anything to do with the loop, but if you want another shitty iPhone video of basic chords as requested above, here you go. Tossed my iPhone down in the room and palm muted a few chords and things. Even at moderate volume, it breaks into controllable feedback with ease and stays tight. It was dialed in for a typical "metal" sort of sound. If you want to hear any of the low end, you'll have to play it in your car or on decent speakers because you'll just hear high end on your phone or laptop haha, but again...just a phone in the room, so take it for what it's worth. I'll ty to do proper recordings of it soon, as a phone doesn't capture what you hear in the room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeJm6AX5Mnw

 

[Mailman1971]

For me personally it wouldn't be an issue.
I never change channels. Set it for medium/high gain on one channel then just adjust the gain I want per song.
I can see for someone playing out with various types of songs it might be trouble.

 

[acalaf]

I would say get rid of the delay, not the amp. The delay is a cheap trick anyway.

 

[sjk]

So is it ONLY when you're still holding the note and switching to the clean channel or will it still do it if you have trails still going but not holding the note and switching?

If you turn off the delay, there's no issue. I can't speak to whether it's there if you have trails going. Considering Petrucci has been using a pair of them live while switching among the channels and hasn't been complaining, it's certainly not an all the time thing. I can check the trails tomorrow and try to do a clip at decent volume of the switching as well.

If it's an issue for folks, I get it. It is what it is. Just saying it's such a one-off, infrequent scenario for me personally, I'd rather have the original circuit as it is.

This doesn't have anything to do with the loop, but if you want another shitty iPhone video of basic chords as requested above, here you go. Tossed my iPhone down in the room and palm muted a few chords and things. Even at moderate volume, it breaks into controllable feedback with ease and stays tight. It was dialed in for a typical "metal" sort of sound. If you want to hear any of the low end, you'll have to play it in your car or on decent speakers because you'll just hear high end on your phone or laptop haha, but again...just a phone in the room, so take it for what it's worth. I'll ty to do proper recordings of it soon, as a phone doesn't capture what you hear in the room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeJm6AX5Mnw

Holy shit! Sounds awesome, best clip I've heard yet...I prefer in the room unmiced clips such as this. I don't play much metal and don't use that much gain but I was not that interested in actually getting one of these but now that may have changed. I'm thinking based on that clip it could do fine with hard rock. I've had a blue stripe Mark III for a little over 4 years now that is by far the best mesa I've played or owned out of many (traded you a Mark V winter before last I think?) and have never ventured into the IIC+ realm but this has me tempted

 

[232cap]

So much for any more cheap mark 5's.

 

[NewWorldMan]

Holy shit! Sounds awesome, best clip I've heard yet...I prefer in the room unmiced clips such as this. I don't play much metal and don't use that much gain but I was not that interested in actually getting one of these but now that may have changed. I'm thinking based on that clip it could do fine with hard rock. I've had a blue stripe Mark III for a little over 4 years now that is by far the best mesa I've played or owned out of many (traded you a Mark V winter before last I think?) and have never ventured into the IIC+ realm but this has me tempted

I wish the phone really captured what you hear in the room, but it's better than nothing.

Yeah, man! You traded me a Mark V a couple years back for something or other...JMP maybe? The JP-2C could definitely do hard rock. I just have it dialed in for brighter/tighter metal sounds right now. It's certainly a different animal than the Mark V you had...

 

[psychodave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeJm6AX5Mnw

Damn... throaty and mean sounding.

 

[Racerxrated]

Fucking weak. Mesa can suck my balls.

Dude...don't mince words man. Tell us how you really feel..

 

[Racerxrated]

Tried this at home with my original, doesn't do it?....and I was at a low volume. But most of my 2C+ gigging is slaving it, so I don't use the loop much anyway. Still a killer sounding amp, really for straight forward rock/heavy tones I haven't heard better clips of a new production amp.

 

[Badronald]

Making excuses for that kind of thing is absurd.
Original circuit? Seriously? With all that extra stuff in there?

That is terrible. There is no excuse.

You KNOW it's days are numbered and you'll never be able to sell that to anybody.

 

[Caleb Joshua]

Hey, What Mesa said makes sense considering how old the circuit is. Put the last 4 loops of an effects gizmo into the effects loop of the JP-2C. Place 2 delays in separate loops. Make two program changes so that when you switch to clean it cuts off the repeats from the other 2 channels and uses the "clean" delay. Problem solved. I don't even have mine yet and I can tell you how to fix it. what kind of "Rigs" are you guys running anyway?

 

[InFlames235]

Hey, What Mesa said makes sense considering how old the circuit is. Put the last 4 loops of an effects gizmo into the effects loop of the JP-2C. Place 2 delays in separate loops. Make two program changes so that when you switch to clean it cuts off the repeats from the other 2 channels and uses the "clean" delay. Problem solved. I don't even have mine yet and I can tell you how to fix it. what kind of "Rigs" are you guys running anyway?

I don't know how big of a problem this will be for me but, either way, I don't want to pay another $800 on a piece of gear to fix a loop issue that shouldn't be there in the first place. If it's not a big deal when I receive it, great, but it is pretty disheartening that it comes from the factory with this issue.

 

[Racerxrated]

horrible. worst thing I have seen in ages.

Cmon. Not worse than a Blades.

 

[Caleb Joshua]

I'm sure it had to be this way or the person who invented it wouldn't have made it this way. its a professional piece of gear, if your going to use processing you should have a loop switcher for reasons like this one.

 

[Racerxrated]

Fucking weak. Mesa can suck my balls.

Dude...don't mince words man. Tell us how you really feel..

first they make it a sig amp. fail. then the loop has this unfixable problem. fail. then they make the guy pay shipping both ways. fail.

thats ALOT of FUCKING FAIL.

Well, let's see...SIG amp, I guess Friedman fails what, 4 times then? The loop issue....OK, then for 2500 you get a three channel amp with an unusable loop that sounds killer...SLO, and I'm a fan, has 2 channels and an (some say)unusable loop for 4k. Couple other fails there for a shit ton more money. The only true fail I see is the shipping issue. I've never owned a bunch of Mesa stuff, so I'm not fanboy but to me those clips are amazing. I'd gladly deal with changing my delay repeats or just slaving it out to get that tone. Just saying......

 

[bubbastain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeJm6AX5Mnw

That sounds more in line with what I got when I played one the other day. I was able to get a really tight, grindy and percussive tone with it. Which is what I like.

 

[Racerxrated]

Fucking weak. Mesa can suck my balls.

Dude...don't mince words man. Tell us how you really feel..

first they make it a sig amp. fail. then the loop has this unfixable problem. fail. then they make the guy pay shipping both ways. fail.

thats ALOT of FUCKING FAIL.

Well, let's see...SIG amp, I guess Friedman fails what, 4 times then? The loop issue....OK, then for 2500 you get a three channel amp with an unusable loop that sounds killer...SLO, and I'm a fan, has 2 channels and an (some say)unusable loop for 4k. Couple other fails there for a shit ton more money. The only true fail I see is the shipping issue. I've never owned a bunch of Mesa stuff, so I'm not fanboy but to me those clips are amazing. I'd gladly deal with changing my delay repeats or just slaving it out to get that tone. Just saying......

not sure what your beef with friedman is. I don't have ANY of his Sig amps anyway. I have SLO. (loop was modded and FIXED by John Suhr!)
It id FIXABLE. the fact that there is NO recourse on the loop situation makes this amp a non starter for me. I don't care how great it sounds. I need the loops man, its like...like a DRUG!!!

as far as it sounding killer. I'm not so sure.
I have to play one myself. and even then the loop situation would be a total buzzkill.

Rez, I got no beef with you or Friedman. Just pointing out you mentioned the Sig amp portion of the JP2C is a fail. So I mentioned that Dave has 4 SIG amps. Does that mean fail too? The SLO is a killer amp, and I'm a fan.. maybe the loop issue is similar to the SLO loop issue in that part of the SLO tone is where it is placed in the circuit, or so people say...maybe that loop placement also contributes to the C+ tone? Personally, really dig the slaving thing nowadays so loops aren't that big a deal. But I can see how this is disappointing to guys. But, like the SLO if moving the loop is going to take away the tone I say leave it. Maybe Dave F or Suhr can figure out a loop mod like they have with the SLO?

 

[dlpasco]

Howdy,

I've got JP-2C #290, and I use it with a Nova delay, and there is NO WAY IN HELL I would return my amp over something like this.

I'm sorry it's a deal breaker for the OP, but it seems like there are numerous options for workarounds. This seems like an edge case. This amp is fantastic.

I'm actually selling six other amps (four rectos and two marks) because this makes them irrelevant to me. I intend to order another JP-2C with the money from the other amps.

Btw, here's a clip of the JP-2C I recorded with the Nova delay this week: https://soundcloud.com/dlpasco/mister-h ... pon-us-all

 

[VC4Ever]

The Mark IIC+ doesn't need a delay anyway makes it sound like shit. This is quite the shit stirring caused by one customer.