Boogie JP2C (Coming Back)

[psychodave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeJm6AX5Mnw

That sounds more in line with what I got when I played one the other day. I was able to get a really tight, grindy and percussive tone with it. Which is what I like.

Hmm it sounds like a digital amp for practice and less like a 2500k amp ...

Really? Can you tell me what digital amp sounds like this clip? I'd like to check it out. Be as detailed as possible so I can find the exact digital amp you are referencing.

 

[bionicmark]

My purpose for disclosing this issue was in no way meant to disparage Mesa or the JP2C. I actually love Mesa...and I think the JP2C sounds great! The loop simply did not work for me. I always run a bit of delay in the loops of all of my amps. Nothing sophisticated, just some basic delay that's on all the time(works perfectly fine when changing channels on my original IIC+, Friedman's, Cameron's, etc.). Didn't work out for me with my JP2C, so guess what? It's over and i'm moving on. If you have no problem with it...fucking great! I am very happy for you. I certainly did not intend to come across as a "a shit stirring customer". I just felt that the issue needed to be disclosed to prospective buyers. Perhaps this info can save someone the high cost (shipping/insurance) of a return both ways. Peace!

I would hope no one is saying you have no reason to be unhappy or disappointed.

I , one thousand percent , would be unhappy with the amp & would be returning it.

I'm also glad you posted this video to bring this to the attention of potential buyers (like myself)
You saved me & possible others a headache.

It was PSA moment if nothing else.

Thank you Todd!

 

[psychodave]

Can anyone confirm if this loop issue is with every delay, or just certain ones? I'm curious if it is the amp or the delay being used.

 

[Superunknown]

Can anyone confirm if this loop issue is with every delay, or just certain ones? I'm curious if it is the amp or the delay being used.

I tried my Lexicon PCM 41, Boss DD500, Strymon El Capistan and DL8. All had the same issue.

 

[NewWorldMan]

Can anyone confirm if this loop issue is with every delay, or just certain ones? I'm curious if it is the amp or the delay being used.

I tried my Lexicon PCM 41, Boss DD500, Strymon El Capistan and DL8. All had the same issue.

Also tried my old DD-2. I think it's certainly the loop.

 

[VC4Ever]

Like others mentions the amp has midi. Can't you set up patches with a voodoo labs type loop switcher and work it that way. Do you really need delay from channel to channel.

There are always going to be solutions to the problem. May take some time or cost more money. But to throw an internet tantrum about a brand new product and souring people's decisions to buy an amp they may want isn't cool.

Maybe that wasn't your intention but clearly the Internet people's take things way out of hand.

 

[Badronald]

Show me one gigging guitarist that uses a midi switcher and rack processors and I'll show you a hundred that use a couple pedals.

Hey, I've used Mesa amps since the mid 80's and I've never had a problem with them. They're built like bricks and just work. I can't imagine how many hundreds of shows I've played with various Mesa amps. This is kinda silly.

 

[Candiria]

Like others mentions the amp has midi. Can't you set up patches with a voodoo labs type loop switcher and work it that way. Do you really need delay from channel to channel.

There are always going to be solutions to the problem. May take some time or cost more money. But to throw an internet tantrum about a brand new product and souring people's decisions to buy an amp they may want isn't cool.

Maybe that wasn't your intention but clearly the Internet people's take things way out of hand.

+1

The amp has a very specific issue that will not arise often, for most people. It also ships with the work around for the problem built in, you just need to grab a used midi controller to access it. The OP plays with delay on all the time, and so for him this is a big deal. That's totally understandable.

However, I just don't understand the amount of bitching from other people about something that has an easy fix. I can't see how this is going to be an issue for the majority of people. As someone else mentioned the SLO ships with a way bigger issue that is far more difficult to rectify. That doesn't stop it from being awesome or keep people from buying them.

 

[psychodave]

Can anyone confirm if this loop issue is with every delay, or just certain ones? I'm curious if it is the amp or the delay being used.

I tried my Lexicon PCM 41, Boss DD500, Strymon El Capistan and DL8. All had the same issue.

Also tried my old DD-2. I think it's certainly the loop.

There went that idea...

 

[megaboogie]

I appreciate the OP for letting us know about it, even making the clip under our request.
If the loop issue doesn't work for his playing style, no need to bicker him saying it's not a big deal.

 

[NewWorldMan]

As someone else mentioned the SLO ships with a way bigger issue that is far more difficult to rectify. That doesn't stop it from being awesome or keep people from buying them.

Nor did it stop guys from touring with the SLO for years with no problem, or Petrucci whose currently touring with a pair of JP-2C's with no problem...and on and on. It's always the small, dark corner of the music world (the Internet gear critics) that have problems with everything.

Again, not directed at the OP who actually owned the amp and concluded it didn't work for him. Just in general.

 

[glip22]

Thats weird actually. I wonder why it is doing this. It sounds like a huge volume increase with the delay noise when channel 1 engages. It would be normal for a time based effect to carry over to one channel when switching as the loop will still be active. The volume increase is what is odd unless channel one volume is much higher than the other.
Mesa should have just done a IIc+ reissue without copying JP's favorite IIC+ circuit. No need for a sig amp to sell amps. JP is not all that big to make any difference in selling amps.

 

[technomancer]

I do have one question about the issue. When you switch to the clean are the repeats actually louder than the clean volume, or are they just at the volume of the clean channel? It really wasn't clear from the clip since you just stopped playing and switched channels.

glip exactly what I'm asking... is the repeat just at the volume the clean channel is set to or is it louder.

 

[sleewell2]

I don't think the OP is having a tantrum or souring anyone's opinion of the amp at all. he had a problem with the amp and returned it; that is totally his call and is fine. he wanted to let people know of the issue but I don't see that as an internet tantrum at all.

 

[phil b]

In a gigging situation especially with one guitarist, spillover is an absolutely must depending on the music your doing. It would drive me crazy if I got a volume jump going back into clean. I run everything from basic pedals to a complete midi switchable rig depending on the gig. I would absolutely try everything I could to eliminate it or at least see if I could get the bump to an acceptable level, but if its in the loop itself and Boogie is aware if it then that sucks bad! You cant tell me John P. has to have a "compromise" in his rig. Either he has figured out how to make it work or his heads are not stock. That was a great PSA from the OP and with a Mesa product I dont think anybody should have to compromise no matter what price point. What would be really nice is for John to do a rig rundown and demo his rig and address this. It surprises me they would release this if there really is no workaround. Turning off a delay that I need on to duplicate a part live is NOT an option.

OP... You having to pay shipping costs for both ways sucks ass! You found a "glitch" and because of that the amp doesnt work for you. If that glitch was discussed up front then I would say you take your chances, but nowhere in any demo was that addressed!! Any amp company would lose major points for that bullshit. I am just pretty surprised it was Mesa.

 

[snorkel54]

I think it's positive that the only criticism about this amp is the loop, not the power transformer and tone circuit. I'm looking forward trying it! If your reading this steve_k, shoot me a pm regarding the jp2c

 

[InFlames235]

In a gigging situation especially with one guitarist, spillover is an absolutely must depending on the music your doing. It would drive me crazy if I got a volume jump going back into clean. I run everything from basic pedals to a complete midi switchable rig depending on the gig. I would absolutely try everything I could to eliminate it or at least see if I could get the bump to an acceptable level, but if its in the loop itself and Boogie is aware if it then that sucks bad! You cant tell me John P. has to have a "compromise" in his rig. Either he has figured out how to make it work or his heads are not stock. That was a great PSA from the OP and with a Mesa product I dont think anybody should have to compromise no matter what price point. What would be really nice is for John to do a rig rundown and demo his rig and address this. It surprises me they would release this if there really is no workaround. Turning off a delay that I need on to duplicate a part live is NOT an option.

OP... You having to pay shipping costs for both ways sucks ass! You found a "glitch" and because of that the amp doesnt work for you. If that glitch was discussed up front then I would say you take your chances, but nowhere in any demo was that addressed!! Any amp company would lose major points for that bullshit. I am just pretty surprised it was Mesa.

While I'm also miffed about this since mine just shipped, Petrucci is probably the biggest guy in a one-guitarist band that's actively touring with this with no issue and with the kinda music he plays, you better believe spillover would happen quite a bit. Obviously he's found a work around so I don't think getting THIS upset about is warranted just yet.

 

[johnpace2]

So is it ONLY when you're still holding the note and switching to the clean channel or will it still do it if you have trails still going but not holding the note and switching?

If you turn off the delay, there's no issue. I can't speak to whether it's there if you have trails going. Considering Petrucci has been using a pair of them live while switching among the channels and hasn't been complaining, it's certainly not an all the time thing. I can check the trails tomorrow and try to do a clip at decent volume of the switching as well.

If it's an issue for folks, I get it. It is what it is. Just saying it's such a one-off, infrequent scenario for me personally, I'd rather have the original circuit as it is.

This doesn't have anything to do with the loop, but if you want another shitty iPhone video of basic chords as requested above, here you go. Tossed my iPhone down in the room and palm muted a few chords and things. Even at moderate volume, it breaks into controllable feedback with ease and stays tight. It was dialed in for a typical "metal" sort of sound. If you want to hear any of the low end, you'll have to play it in your car or on decent speakers because you'll just hear high end on your phone or laptop haha, but again...just a phone in the room, so take it for what it's worth. I'll ty to do proper recordings of it soon, as a phone doesn't capture what you hear in the room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeJm6AX5Mnw

Best clip so far!

 

[shreder75]

That anybody is chastising the OP because his brand new, made in the US amp has a loop that acts fucky under common usage conditions is utterly fucky in ways I can't articulate. I'd be pissed, too. $2500 is hardly a budget amp. It had better work properly. And this from a company that's been making amps for how long now? Whether it's just his amp or a problem common to the line isn't the issue. If it were me, that it happened to my amp would be the only issue that matters. That they want him to pay shipping both ways is a travesty. I wonder if they call it a "feature" like the old recto manual claims the presence on orange affecting the sound when you're on the red channel is a "cool feature. " Translated: a design flaw The Tone Farm spun as a planned aspect of the amp.

No amp I've ever owned has done this while using the loop. Not my poor man evh, my powerball, my splawn, or even my cheap ass B-52 when I'd owned one.

They shouldn't make you pay for shipping, man. That's Fucked up.

 

[phil b]

I blah blah blah...etc.
OP... You having to pay shipping costs for both ways sucks ass! You found a "glitch" and because of that the amp doesnt work for you. If that glitch was discussed up front then I would say you take your chances, but nowhere in any demo was that addressed!! Any amp company would lose major points for that bullshit. I am just pretty surprised it was Mesa.

While I'm also miffed about this since mine just shipped, Petrucci is probably the biggest guy in a one-guitarist band that's actively touring with this with no issue and with the kinda music he plays, you better believe spillover would happen quite a bit. Obviously he's found a work around so I don't think getting THIS upset about is warranted just yet.

Absolutely! But because its his sig amp and he represents Mesa with this amp I would think if enough guys bring this up then he really should address it. Its all about selling these amps and John seems like the type of guy that wouldnt want the talk of his amp be "It sound great but the switching thing with the loop". Demo the workaround early to nip it in the bud and move forward.