Boogie JP2C (Coming Back)

[bste328]

I think that using a line mixer in the loop will probably be a workaround.

Have anyone tried this??

 

[snorkel54]

So is it ONLY when you're still holding the note and switching to the clean channel or will it still do it if you have trails still going but not holding the note and switching?

If you turn off the delay, there's no issue. I can't speak to whether it's there if you have trails going. Considering Petrucci has been using a pair of them live while switching among the channels and hasn't been complaining, it's certainly not an all the time thing. I can check the trails tomorrow and try to do a clip at decent volume of the switching as well.

If it's an issue for folks, I get it. It is what it is. Just saying it's such a one-off, infrequent scenario for me personally, I'd rather have the original circuit as it is.

This doesn't have anything to do with the loop, but if you want another shitty iPhone video of basic chords as requested above, here you go. Tossed my iPhone down in the room and palm muted a few chords and things. Even at moderate volume, it breaks into controllable feedback with ease and stays tight. It was dialed in for a typical "metal" sort of sound. If you want to hear any of the low end, you'll have to play it in your car or on decent speakers because you'll just hear high end on your phone or laptop haha, but again...just a phone in the room, so take it for what it's worth. I'll ty to do proper recordings of it soon, as a phone doesn't capture what you hear in the room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeJm6AX5Mnw

Now that sounded killer! keep em coming

 

[Chris6870]

Does it do that at normal volume? Seems low in the clip. I don't see the big deal. Most amps have some pop or click when you change the channel,any effects are going to accentuate that. I can't ever remembering having the need to leave delay on when changing channels anyway.

 

[Candiria]

You guys must sure use a lot of effects on your high gain sounds. I though most people only used delay on leads, how many leads do you play live? How many leads do you play live that send you right into a clean sound without killing the note you were playing in your solo?

Obviously you want an amp without an issue, but it seems like something that's going to happen on rare occasion and there are honestly a couple workarounds proposed already. Wouldn't the midi functionality of the amp solve the problem too by letting you cut the FX loop off an switch channels simultaneously? Then you just click the delay back on a half second later if you need to.

 

[snorkel54]

You guys must sure use a lot of effects on your high gain sounds. I though most people only used delay on leads, how many leads do you play live? How many leads do you play live that send you right into a clean sound without killing the note you were playing in your solo?

Obviously you want an amp without an issue, but it seems like something that's going to happen on rare occasion and there are honestly a couple workarounds proposed already. Wouldn't the midi functionality of the amp solve the problem too by letting you cut the FX loop off an switch channels simultaneously? Then you just click the delay back on a half second later if you need to.

+1

 

[sleewell2]

people are free to do what they want but to me this is a classic case of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

do you even hear it at band levels? I don't use enough delay to really care one way or the other but if the amp sounds that good I could make something work if that was my only issue. especially with the money spent on shipping it both ways, I am sure something could have been done.

 

[NewWorldMan]

As I said before, this is a no-win scenario. People will complain about the one off incident with the loop, but no sooner than Mesa would have altered the circuit, people would have complained the circuit was compromised. Like I said, give me the original circuit any day of the week. This is extremely new (the ink on the signature of my chassis isn't even 2 weeks old yet), and like the arguments about the SLO 100, people will learn to stop complaining after a while.

What will happen - mark my words - is if people complain enough, a factory "mod" will become available for this amp for those that want to take it to an authorized Mesa tech. Everyone - based on the Internet critic comments - will run out to "fix" their amps, hooray! And then a year later when everyone and their brother has hacked up their original JP-2C (IIC+) circuit because the Internet told them to do it, people will start saying how much "better" the originals sound without the "horrible" loop mod, and then start posting "WTB" ads for JP-2C's with the disclaimer of "Original circuit model only, not one with the loop mod"...

 

[Chris6870]

As I said before, this is a no-win scenario. People will complain about the one off incident with the loop, but no sooner than Mesa would have altered the circuit, people would have complained the circuit was compromised. Like I said, give me the original circuit any day of the week. This is extremely new (the ink on the signature of my chassis isn't even 2 weeks old yet), and like the arguments about the SLO 100, people will learn to stop complaining after a while.

What will happen - mark my words - is if people complain enough, a factory "mod" will become available for this amp for those that want to take it to an authorized Mesa tech. Everyone - based on the Internet critic comments - will run out to "fix" their amps, hooray! And then a year later when everyone and their brother has hacked up their original JP-2C (IIC+) circuit because the Internet told them to do it, people will start saying how much "better" the originals sound without the "horrible" loop mod, and then start posting "WTB" ads for JP-2C's with the disclaimer of "Original circuit model only, not one with the loop mod"...

So true. Perfect example of why I'm never the first guy in line to buy the hot new product. FWIW I think the SLO loop is a bigger deal than this and it doesn't seem to bother many people.

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

As I said before, this is a no-win scenario. People will complain about the one off incident with the loop, but no sooner than Mesa would have altered the circuit, people would have complained the circuit was compromised. Like I said, give me the original circuit any day of the week. This is extremely new (the ink on the signature of my chassis isn't even 2 weeks old yet), and like the arguments about the SLO 100, people will learn to stop complaining after a while.

What will happen - mark my words - is if people complain enough, a factory "mod" will become available for this amp for those that want to take it to an authorized Mesa tech. Everyone - based on the Internet critic comments - will run out to "fix" their amps, hooray! And then a year later when everyone and their brother has hacked up their original JP-2C (IIC+) circuit because the Internet told them to do it, people will start saying how much "better" the originals sound without the "horrible" loop mod, and then start posting "WTB" ads for JP-2C's with the disclaimer of "Original circuit model only, not one with the loop mod"...

BINGO!!!! you are right, this WILL happen!!

 

[NewWorldMan]

Delay spillover is a big deal
Over here..ymmv.

Help me understand this. You're an SLO 100 owner. The SLO is a 2 channel amp with little to no options, where one of those channels (clean) is mediocre at best (and horrible, IMO, by comparison to amps like the JP-2C) and had a loop deemed by most as completely unusable with things like delay because of the circuit.

So, that's $4200 for a stripped down platform where the loop is an even bigger issue overall, and that's cool to buy and own and ask people to pay 70% more than an amp with 3 independent channels, a far superior clean channel, midi control built in, lots of switching options, dual graphic EQs, reverb, built in cab simulator, etc...with a loop that sounds great and only gives a volume bump on the initial repeats of a delayed signal if switching from dirty to clean while repeating?

I'm not seeing the logic here. For the same amount of money that the one trick pony amp (SLO) with the same issue but worse costs, someone could buy a damn full JP-2C half stack, BOSS ES-8 switcher, and some pedals to go on it...if not 2 JP-2C's entirely for not much more.

Not criticizing at all, I honestly want to understand the rationale here, because I don't see it.

 

[311boogieman]

I never would have thought this could be a big deal.

I can't wait to try to replicate it on my Rectoverb and Quick Rod.

If it is true that this has more to do with Mesa trying to keep the integrity of the original circuit and not a design flaw - then maybe Mesa could have made this known upfront to people. I'm sure they still would not have had any problem selling them despite the issue. If this was a design flaw, QC issue or hush hush situation then shame on Mesa.

I'm also pretty sure JP himself was aware of it no?

 

[sleewell2]

amps are more than features. if the SLO sounds great then its worth the money, period. some people shop based on features but some people just want it sound good. you don't have to have to make both camps happy to have an amp be worth the money.

if the JP2C has midi just get a midi controller that can change amp channels and control your effects. pretty easy workaround for a really minor issue.

if it truly was an either or situation I would take the amp that sounded/felt better but had this issue with loop vs one with the loop issue fixed but it compromised the sound/feel of the amp.

 

[lespaul6]

Is this reissue the original circuit though? I thought the original circuit did not include a full clean channel? curious, I'm not a up on the 2c+ amps?

 

[bionicmark]

Here's my question..

If you are running a GCX type of audio switcher - when going from the lead channel that has delay in it to either the crunch channel or the clean channel that doesn't have delay assigned to it, when shutting off the delay and switching channels, is the delay still spilling over to the other channels even though it has been shut off via midi?

If so, then that is a turn off. What if I am playing a solo during a high gain , crazy part in a song and then immediately after the solo, the band stops, and I need to play an arpeggiated clean channel chord progression - is my last note still going to be trailing over what I'm trying to play?

 

[K-Roll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeJm6AX5Mnw

That sounds more in line with what I got when I played one the other day. I was able to get a really tight, grindy and percussive tone with it. Which is what I like.

Hmm it sounds like a digital amp for practice and less like a 2500k amp ...

 

[dlpasco]

Delay spillover is a big deal
Over here..ymmv.

Help me understand this. You're an SLO 100 owner. The SLO is a 2 channel amp with little to no options, where one of those channels (clean) is mediocre at best (and horrible, IMO, by comparison to amps like the JP-2C) and had a loop deemed by most as completely unusable with things like delay because of the circuit.

So, that's $4200 for a stripped down platform where the loop is an even bigger issue overall, and that's cool to buy and own and ask people to pay 70% more than an amp with 3 independent channels, a far superior clean channel, midi control built in, lots of switching options, dual graphic EQs, reverb, built in cab simulator, etc...with a loop that sounds great and only gives a volume bump on the initial repeats of a delayed signal if switching from dirty to clean while repeating?

I'm not seeing the logic here. For the same amount of money that the one trick pony amp (SLO) with the same issue but worse costs, someone could buy a damn full JP-2C half stack, BOSS ES-8 switcher, and some pedals to go on it...if not 2 JP-2C's entirely for not much more.

Not criticizing at all, I honestly want to understand the rationale here, because I don't see it.

I think your perception is accurate. Plus, as much people want to bash Mesa for QA on this, Petrucci is thrilled with the damn thing, and with good reason.

It carries less weight in the world, but I am also thrilled with it

 

[cardinal]

You couldn't even switch to a useable clean tone on a IIC+ anyway because you have to run the drive so high, right? And if they had just reissued that amp with no changes, folks would be saying how awesome it is and just get over the channel switching thing. Mesa adds an independent clean channel that I guess has trouble with spillover, and people freak out. If I'm Mesa, I "fix" it by just ripping out the clean channel and see what people think.

 

[Superunknown]

My purpose for disclosing this issue was in no way meant to disparage Mesa or the JP2C. I actually love Mesa...and I think the JP2C sounds great! The loop simply did not work for me. I always run a bit of delay in the loops of all of my amps. Nothing sophisticated, just some basic delay that's on all the time(works perfectly fine when changing channels on my original IIC+, Friedman's, Cameron's, etc.). Didn't work out for me with my JP2C, so guess what? It's over and i'm moving on. If you have no problem with it...fucking great! I am very happy for you. I certainly did not intend to come across as a "a shit stirring customer". I just felt that the issue needed to be disclosed to prospective buyers. Perhaps this info can save someone the high cost (shipping/insurance) of a return both ways. Peace!

 

[NewWorldMan]

My purpose for disclosing this issue was in no way meant to disparage Mesa or the JP2C. I actually love Mesa...and I think the JP2C sounds great! The loop simply did not work for me. I always run a bit of delay in the loops of all of my amps. Nothing sophisticated, just some basic delay that's on all the time(works perfectly fine when changing channels on my original IIC+, Friedman's, Cameron's, etc.). Didn't work out for me with my JP2C, so guess what? It's over and i'm moving on. If you have no problem with it...fucking great! I am very happy for you. I certainly did not intend to come across as a "a shit stirring customer". I just felt that the issue needed to be disclosed to prospective buyers. Perhaps this info can save someone the high cost (shipping/insurance) of a return both ways. Peace!

Absolutely, and +100 here. You bought the amp, you tried it out, you even called Mesa and discussed the finer points of why it's problematic specifically for you, and you decided it wasn't for you. Who could ask for more? Everyone who is informed has a right to their opinion, and people should respect that. That certainly includes you.

What I think is hilarious is praising amps at double the cost with worse "issues" and having no problem with it, or my favorite...folks who rant and rave and bash an amp they've not only not owned, but have never even played and are being Internet critics and basing their opinions solely on a couple of YouTube clips with iPhones. While they're at it, why don't they swing over to Fandango and write some movie reviews for movies they haven't seen yet. I hear there's some 30 second trailers available for the new releases now. It should enough to form an opinion...

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

I don't think you were trying to cause any crap or disturb anyone, SU… You're just revealing your real life experience,
So, if John Petrucci is using these amplifiers all the time, there must be a workable solution , I don't understand how he can play show after show after show with this amplifier?! I will have to watch some YouTube videos and see if he has a grimacing look on his face when he switches from the high gain channel with delay to the clean channel… hehehe