Boogie JP2C (Coming Back)

[Les Zombie]

Yeah i took out all the pre and powertubes, that didnt do anything.
All tubes lit up like they are supposed to, none looked damaged.


Thx for the link.

 

[K-Roll]

Its more than likely that the amp carries JJ 12AX7 and 6L6 tubes.

If they did not do a good selection on those, there's a huge chance one or two will be broken. I come from the country where JJ is being made and I can tell you - for me it's safer to order those from a renowned reseller such s tubampdoctor or TAD because the factory will sell you pure crap.

I've had like 5 out of 8 tubes fail on me in the first 3 weeks since purchase, some were dead even on arrival. But one would hope that mesa spends some quality time on selecting their tubes, too.

 

[Les Zombie]

I just played it some more, i had the same settings on both ch2 and ch3 and used the same eq for both, i had the voulme the same on both also, but i put the gain pulled on ch2 at 3:00 and compared it to the gain pushed in on ch3 at 9:00 and ch3 was still had more gain, ch2 was still cold and thin sounding and ch3 was fuller and warmer sounding. something has to be wrong. it shouldnt be that drastic of a difference. i dont think its a tube issue cause the tech at mesa said ch2 and ch3 pretty much sahre the same tubes.

 

[311boogieman]

IS it coming back with the loop fix?

Yes Sir!

Can't wait to hear your impression on any differences - but maybe you didn't play it enough initially to really judge.

Ch2 on my jp2c doesnt sound right, there has to be something wrong with it, very cold and hardly any gain, very lifeless, doesnt sound close to ch3 at all. I will jam on ch3 while i have it and in the meantime i will try and find a store that has one instock and buy it, then i will return the broken amp for a refund. The dealer i got mine from doesnt have another instock, i called a few dealers yesterday but i havent found one yet.

Why don't you just send it in under warranty?

 

[Mailman1971]

The way pettruci described the channel 2 and 3 they were identical.
But seems this isn't the case.
Can you crank up the dials on channel 2 and make them similar though?

 

[Stumplegriltskin]

IS it coming back with the loop fix?

Yes Sir!

G'damn that was fast. Talk about service eh?

 

[journeyman73]

I just played it some more, i had the same settings on both ch2 and ch3 and used the same eq for both, i had the voulme the same on both also, but i put the gain pulled on ch2 at 3:00 and compared it to the gain pushed in on ch3 at 9:00 and ch3 was still had more gain, ch2 was still cold and thin sounding and ch3 was fuller and warmer sounding. something has to be wrong. it shouldnt be that drastic of a difference. i dont think its a tube issue cause the tech at mesa said ch2 and ch3 pretty much sahre the same tubes.

something is definitely wrong. there is still a lot of gain available on ch2

 

[Candiria]

Yeah i took out all the pre and powertubes, that didnt do anything.
All tubes lit up like they are supposed to, none looked damaged.


Thx for the link.

Did you actually swap out the preamp tubes for ones that you knew were good? I just couldn't tell from what you wrote. I don't know the tube diagram but chances are it's a failure in one side of the tube. Could also be that it got banged around in shipping and something needs to be fixed internally, solder joints or something. It's under warranty for 5 years (tubes for 6 months), so I wouldn't buy anything for it unless you specifically wanted to switch to those tubes or need extra preamps anyway.

 

[Racerxrated]

Yeah i took out all the pre and powertubes, that didnt do anything.
All tubes lit up like they are supposed to, none looked damaged.


Thx for the link.

Did you actually swap out the preamp tubes for ones that you knew were good? I just couldn't tell from what you wrote. I don't know the tube diagram but chances are it's a failure in one side of the tube. Could also be that it got banged around in shipping and something needs to be fixed internally, solder joints or something. It's under warranty for 5 years (tubes for 6 months), so I wouldn't buy anything for it unless you specifically wanted to switch to those tubes or need extra preamps anyway.

Damn. Sorry to hear. Hopefully its a pre tube, although it appears you've already changed them out? Such crap these days from new production tubes. Sad.

 

[the4thlast1]

Wow guys Mesa really hitting it out of the park so far Hahahaha,

I think it was silly that guys in this thread going out of there way to defend Mesa on the loop issue. All the while bashing O.P. for wanting to return the amp.

It looks to me like Mesa may not have even known about the issue until users started to experiment with running various effects and switching channels at different levels. Now they cant get around people talking about it so they are offering a fix.... The real question is does the fix change anything with the overall tone of the amplifier. If the fix doesnt change the overall tone in any way than it was all bullshit about Mesa wanting to keep the design the same as original , that makes no sense to me in the first place considering this is a different amplifier , it has several different options, add-ons and function changes from the original 2C+ , so the "Integrity" of the original design is already compromised for better or worse .

 

[InFlames235]

I just played it some more, i had the same settings on both ch2 and ch3 and used the same eq for both, i had the voulme the same on both also, but i put the gain pulled on ch2 at 3:00 and compared it to the gain pushed in on ch3 at 9:00 and ch3 was still had more gain, ch2 was still cold and thin sounding and ch3 was fuller and warmer sounding. something has to be wrong. it shouldnt be that drastic of a difference. i dont think its a tube issue cause the tech at mesa said ch2 and ch3 pretty much sahre the same tubes.

Definitely something wrong and it's likely a pre-amp tube. I just got my 2C yesterday and channel 2 and 3 are pretty much identical with the gain.

 

[Speeddemon]

Happy to say that my JP2 is coming back! Looking forward to having it again!

Dude.. Are you sure you don't want a 5150 III 50w instead?

Oddly enough I've got some pretty killer expensive high dollar amps and if you crank up the 5150 III 50 watt blue channel MV to about noon it rips and sounds about as good as any of them yet I don't play it much.

Just goes to show how different everyone is on tone. I found the blue channel sterile, lame, etc. Red was where it was at for me, but ultimately even though I tried to like the amp twice I sent them both back. An average JCM 800 boosted sounded better for the same price.

Thing is, you're comparing used prices of a JCM800 (which is over $2k new) to a NEW price of a 5150 III 50W.

Heck, I almost paid the same amount for my Mark V:25 USED, as what a NEW Engl Savage 120 costs. Apples and oranges dude.

 

[Racerxrated]

Happy to say that my JP2 is coming back! Looking forward to having it again!

Dude.. Are you sure you don't want a 5150 III 50w instead?

Oddly enough I've got some pretty killer expensive high dollar amps and if you crank up the 5150 III 50 watt blue channel MV to about noon it rips and sounds about as good as any of them yet I don't play it much.

Just goes to show how different everyone is on tone. I found the blue channel sterile, lame, etc. Red was where it was at for me, but ultimately even though I tried to like the amp twice I sent them both back. An average JCM 800 boosted sounded better for the same price.

Thing is, you're comparing used prices of a JCM800 (which is over $2k new) to a NEW price of a 5150 III 50W.

Heck, I almost paid the same amount for my Mark V:25 USED, as what a NEW Engl Savage 120 costs. Apples and oranges dude.

I'm comparing the tone for the dollar, new or used that doesn't matter to me. What can I get for 1k? I do see your point but I don't care about used/new. I never buy new, except for the 5153. They are a good value for the features no doubt. But I'd rather spend 1K on an '85 2204 for that one tone then 1k on a new EVH with 3 tones that are ok. But that's me.

 

[godgrinder]

I'm comparing the tone for the dollar, new or used that doesn't matter to me. What can I get for 1k? I do see your point but I don't care about used/new. I never buy new, except for the 5153. They are a good value for the features no doubt. But I'd rather spend 1K on an '85 2204 for that one tone then 1k on a new EVH with 3 tones that are ok. But that's me.

An used 5153 50w is $600-700.

 

[Racerxrated]

I'm comparing the tone for the dollar, new or used that doesn't matter to me. What can I get for 1k? I do see your point but I don't care about used/new. I never buy new, except for the 5153. They are a good value for the features no doubt. But I'd rather spend 1K on an '85 2204 for that one tone then 1k on a new EVH with 3 tones that are ok. But that's me.

An used 5153 50w is $600-700.

My used 82 2204 cost me 800. I found a used VHT D60 for 650 2 years ago....again, I'd take that over a 5153 50. Just not that impressed with them, sorry. Lot of bang for the buck feature wise, but the tone just wasn't there for me. I thought the Randall RD45 sounded better. And they are even cheaper.

 

[godgrinder]

My used 82 2204 cost me 800. I found a used VHT D60 for 650 2 years ago....again, I'd take that over a 5153 50. Just not that impressed with them, sorry. Lot of bang for the buck feature wise, but the tone just wasn't there for me. I thought the Randall RD45 sounded better. And they are even cheaper.

My 2203KK and 2205 costed me ~$400 each. But occasional good scores and usual going rates are two different things.

 

[Racerxrated]

My used 82 2204 cost me 800. I found a used VHT D60 for 650 2 years ago....again, I'd take that over a 5153 50. Just not that impressed with them, sorry. Lot of bang for the buck feature wise, but the tone just wasn't there for me. I thought the Randall RD45 sounded better. And they are even cheaper.

My 2203KK and 2205 costed me ~$400 each. But occasional good scores and usual going rates are two different things.

What I paid isn't really an occasional score. That's about the going rate for D60..D120 8-950 maybe. And 85 and newer 2204s will sell for 7-800. So its really not apples to oranges. Most used 5153 50s are 750 if clean. So all things are pretty equal. And its not like we're talking about a 400$ difference anyway...50-100 tops. BTW nice scores on your amps.. I paid 700 for my old KK, thought that was good....

 

[Speeddemon]

Happy to say that my JP2 is coming back! Looking forward to having it again!

Dude.. Are you sure you don't want a 5150 III 50w instead?

Oddly enough I've got some pretty killer expensive high dollar amps and if you crank up the 5150 III 50 watt blue channel MV to about noon it rips and sounds about as good as any of them yet I don't play it much.

Just goes to show how different everyone is on tone. I found the blue channel sterile, lame, etc. Red was where it was at for me, but ultimately even though I tried to like the amp twice I sent them both back. An average JCM 800 boosted sounded better for the same price.

Thing is, you're comparing used prices of a JCM800 (which is over $2k new) to a NEW price of a 5150 III 50W.

Heck, I almost paid the same amount for my Mark V:25 USED, as what a NEW Engl Savage 120 costs. Apples and oranges dude.

I'm comparing the tone for the dollar, new or used that doesn't matter to me. What can I get for 1k? I do see your point but I don't care about used/new. I never buy new, except for the 5153. They are a good value for the features no doubt. But I'd rather spend 1K on an '85 2204 for that one tone then 1k on a new EVH with 3 tones that are ok. But that's me.

Well, if you see my original post in this thread about the 5150III, it's aside from tone for the dollar, also tone-per-pound that appeals to me.
I have an Invader and a Sig:X; both very capable and versatile multi-channel heads. They don't see the stage that often (the Sig:X never did actually), as they're heavy mofo's. The 5150III 50W I can carry in a custom-bag in one hand (including footswitch and all cabling), guitar on my back, pedalboard in other hand and I'm good to go if there's a cab where I'm playing.

I consider myself quite keen on the verses of good tone, but I'm also pragmatic when it comes to gigging. Besides, I re-tubed the shizzle out of it and all of the stock harshness/spikeyness is taken care of. Pairin' it with my Mesa vertical 2x12, set phasers for Kill, capt.

 

[Racerxrated]

Its all about what YOU like and are happy with. Plenty out there love the EVH. Its all good.

 

[ElectricVoodoo]

I'm comparing the tone for the dollar, new or used that doesn't matter to me. What can I get for 1k? I do see your point but I don't care about used/new. I never buy new, except for the 5153. They are a good value for the features no doubt. But I'd rather spend 1K on an '85 2204 for that one tone then 1k on a new EVH with 3 tones that are ok. But that's me.

An used 5153 50w is $600-700.

My used 82 2204 cost me 800. I found a used VHT D60 for 650 2 years ago....again, I'd take that over a 5153 50. Just not that impressed with them, sorry. Lot of bang for the buck feature wise, but the tone just wasn't there for me. I thought the Randall RD45 sounded better. And they are even cheaper.

I hear ya, I actually had the RD45 last year for about 6 months. Jammed with it, liked it. When I got the 5153 50, I felt it had more of a tonal character than the RD45, cut through better in the mix, loud bassist, loud drummer.

Just my opinion.