Bugera TriRec Vs. Mesa Dual Recto (Video)

[Heritage Softail]

Bugera sounds like unemployed Americans and Chinese theft.

Sounds very close. But counterfeits are designed to sound close.

As destroyed as the economy is, the huge number of unemployed or underemployed people that are out there...

It is amazing Americans buy this stuff. It is a pretty poison. And stealing downloaded music did not hurt any musicians either.

It doesn't matter how great of a counterfeit it is, it is like a cancer that Americans pay money to get.

If you don't understand economics well enough to understand how this hurts our economy, remember that you don't have to understand the nuclear bomb works for it to kill you.

I like the way you think.

If Mesa moved manufacturing to China people would scream loudly, but when the Chinese counterfeit the design people rejoice at the opportunity to slit their own throats.

I like your example...

Slit their own throats.

 

[Heritage Softail]

Bugera sounds like unemployed Americans and Chinese theft.

Sounds very close. But counterfeits are designed to sound close.

As destroyed as the economy is, the huge number of unemployed or underemployed people that are out there...

It is amazing Americans buy this stuff. It is a pretty poison. And stealing downloaded music did not hurt any musicians either.

It doesn't matter how great of a counterfeit it is, it is like a cancer that Americans pay money to get.

If you don't understand economics well enough to understand how this hurts our economy, remember that you don't have to understand the nuclear bomb works for it to kill you.

...........so you're saying you liked the Mesa then?

I'm saying pushing counterfeit amps is a scumbag move. Some people will do anything for money. Even slow suicide.

 

[borninwinter]

A counterfeit would be a fake Mesa, i.e. designed to look like Mesa and passed off by the seller as a Mesa. This is more like a generic prescription drug, which is the kind of thing that good for poorer people in a struggling economy.

In any case, I'm guessing that Mesa probably uses a fair amount of Chinese-manufactured parts in their gear. I also doubt that the number of people Mesa employs assembling Chinese parts in America is large enough to have a macroeconomic effect. There's a lot more going on behind the decline of American manufacturing than people not buying American at the retail level.

 

[some dude]

A counterfeit would be a fake Mesa, i.e. designed to look like Mesa and passed off by the seller as a Mesa.

They designed it look like a fake Mesa and their intent is to pass it off as a fake Mesa.

They could've put the same circuit in a box of their own design with no references to the Rectifier and let people come to their own conclusions, but they didn't. They made as many references as possible while trying to avoid trademark infringement.

In the end I don't know how much it'll hurt Mesa. The people who buy a Tokia probably wouldn't have bought a Gibson anyway.

 

[blackba]

I prefer the boogie, it sounds darker and the bugera sounds a bit harsh in comparison. They are close though. It reminds me of the joyo version of the suhr riot pedal head to head clip I watched recently. The joyo was close, bit the suhr just had something extra that made it stand out to me.

I am sure I am biased as I am not a bugera fan.

 

[borninwinter]

Every successful product ever produced leads to inexpensive knockoffs. And it says "Bugera" on the front, not Mesa. And it costs a grand less. I don't think anyone is fooled into thinking its a real Mesa. And if you know here is the original, here is the knockoff you have every right to make the choice, esp if you're a working musician without that extra grand to throw around. If there was some sort of legal problem, you can be sure that Mesa would come after them. But, really, Bugera poses no threat to Mesa's continued success. And whether you buy one or the other just isn't going to affect the economy.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

I like the Bugera.

That isn't a reborn Recto is it but the previous generation? I heard the Reborn's are more present and may sound closer to that Bugera.

 

[fluff191]

I'm saying pushing counterfeit amps is a scumbag move. Some people will do anything for money. Even slow suicide.

But what about the auto-bias feature, the built in boost and reverb the Mesa doesnt have?

And didn't Mesa start out by taking Fender Princeton's and modding them and putting a Mesa badge on them?

 

[some dude]

And didn't Mesa start out by taking Fender Princeton's and modding them and putting a Mesa badge on them?

Mesa modded Fender amps that Fender had already profited off.

I'm not sure how amp modding applies to new production amps.

 

[borninwinter]

And didn't Mesa start out by taking Fender Princeton's and modding them and putting a Mesa badge on them?

Mesa modded Fender amps that Fender had already profited off.

What about these amps?

 

[some dude]

Can't argue that....

 

[LP Freak]

It's simple....just don't buy it.

 

[Rayneman]

I've dragged my 2002 Triple Rec around everywhere, left it in vans during the winter, spilled beer all over it, dropped the thing a few feet (tubes didn't even break), had the footswitch completely under water for awhile and the amp works like the day it was brand new. I wonder how the Bugera will do in the real world. It does not sound bad though.

 

[Mr. Willy]

They may sound the same, but when the Boogera breaks down after a year the Mesa will just keep rolling.

 

[borninwinter]

I've dragged my 2002 Triple Rec around everywhere, left it in vans during the winter, spilled beer all over it, dropped the thing a few feet (tubes didn't even break), had the footswitch completely under water for awhile and the amp works like the day it was brand new. I wonder how the Bugera will do in the real world.

I'm thinking this is the big difference between the two...and I don't think Mesa would ever want to produce a cheaper, less rugged recto since a lot of their success is built on that reputation for being a tank. Let the standards go at all and you damage their whole reputation, people will start thinking they're cutting corners all around. Anyone touring will pay the extra grand if they have it for the reliability. So, the Bugera is something for the kids just starting out, or people not touring. Each amp has a niche.

 

[blackba]

Anyone know how long the Triwreck has been out?

 

[fluff191]

A couple of weeks.

And I certainly agree with the reliability. I have seen Boogies take a full beer at stage volume and keep going after a power tube swap. That is huge.

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

Appreciate and love your clips!


Hate to say it, but was liking the brighter tone of the Bug.


Hows the clean on the Bug? Mesa has the cleans nailed to wall anymore!

 

[glassjaw7]

I liked the Bugera more in this video. The recto sounded muddy after hearing the Bug. I would never rely on a Bugera on the road or anything, but I can see getting one for studio or as a backup.

I love Mesa though. USA production, tough as nails build quality and some really cool amps. I always think of mesa as not the most "refined" or toneful amps, but they just have "that" sound that cuts through and sounds right for rock and metal. They're just workhorses.


Now, just had another thought. Can you imagine Doug West playing that happy skull n bones ebay guitar through a Recto, doing his goofy dance moves???? That would be too much happy in one place and the world would explode!!

 

[university81]

i preferred the bugera as well, brighter and cut better, mesa was too bassy/boomy for my tastes,
sounded kinda flubby and not tight enough, might just be the EQ i dunno

i know which one i'd rather take on the road however