Bugera TriRec Vs. Mesa Dual Recto (Video)

[killertone]

I hope that Bugera gave you SARS you Anti-American sonofabitch.

 

[mchn13]

Every successful product ever produced leads to inexpensive knockoffs. And it says "Bugera" on the front, not Mesa. And it costs a grand less. I don't think anyone is fooled into thinking its a real Mesa. And if you know here is the original, here is the knockoff you have every right to make the choice, esp if you're a working musician without that extra grand to throw around. If there was some sort of legal problem, you can be sure that Mesa would come after them. But, really, Bugera poses no threat to Mesa's continued success. And whether you buy one or the other just isn't going to affect the economy.

Bullshit. Its not only our economy, but we also keep pouring money into a nation that supports...nvrmnd. Imo its about craftmanship. And something that will stand the test of time and still be worth something ten years down the road. Not this throw away garbage that keeps getting sold to us over and over. Go on about the poor guitarist that cant affford shit. Ive personally had at least two rectos that ive bought used for that price.

 

[mchn13]

Sorry fluff. Your clips are tits as always, and its not a bad sounding p.o.s.

 

[borninwinter]

Every successful product ever produced leads to inexpensive knockoffs. And it says "Bugera" on the front, not Mesa. And it costs a grand less. I don't think anyone is fooled into thinking its a real Mesa. And if you know here is the original, here is the knockoff you have every right to make the choice, esp if you're a working musician without that extra grand to throw around. If there was some sort of legal problem, you can be sure that Mesa would come after them. But, really, Bugera poses no threat to Mesa's continued success. And whether you buy one or the other just isn't going to affect the economy.

Bullshit. Its not only our economy, but we also keep pouring money into a nation that supports...nvrmnd. Imo its about craftmanship. And something that will stand the test of time and still be worth something ten years down the road. Not this throw away garbage that keeps getting sold to us over and over. Go on about the poor guitarist that cant affford shit. Ive personally had at least two rectos that ive bought used for that price.

I'm happy for people to buy whatever amp makes them happy for whatever reason. But the US Gov't borrows literally millions of dollars every hour of every day from China. Given that, the entire amp industry is irrelevant in the big picture. I don't think that borrowing all that money is a good thing, but the issue is way bigger than buying American. Regardless, the fact is that every amp company based wherever uses at least some parts from China out of necessity. One example, try buying some new, high end US tubes. I'm not sure supporting Russia with all my tube purchases would be my choice in abstract, but I don't really have much choice in that. Just the way things are.

To your other point, craftmanship has it's value, and I choose to own higher end amps myself. But "value" can also be had in producing something that does the same job for less money. That is the free market. I really don't get this idea that it's ok to base a product on other people's designs if you make it high end, but it's unthinkable to do it to make a low end version. Like I said before, I really don't think Bugera is going after Mesa's market, but if they are so what? Say hypothetically that Bugera is as road worthy as a Mesa. If they can make essentially the same amp and stay in business selling it for a grand less, than why does Mesa always and forever have a right to charge $1800 for a certain sound. Their design did not pop out of thin air either...

As someone else said, I think the used market it another subject, since they companies making the amp are out of the picture at that point.

 

[skoora]

Every successful product ever produced leads to inexpensive knockoffs. And it says "Bugera" on the front, not Mesa. And it costs a grand less. I don't think anyone is fooled into thinking its a real Mesa. And if you know here is the original, here is the knockoff you have every right to make the choice, esp if you're a working musician without that extra grand to throw around. If there was some sort of legal problem, you can be sure that Mesa would come after them. But, really, Bugera poses no threat to Mesa's continued success. And whether you buy one or the other just isn't going to affect the economy.

Bullshit. Its not only our economy, but we also keep pouring money into a nation that supports...nvrmnd. Imo its about craftmanship. And something that will stand the test of time and still be worth something ten years down the road. Not this throw away garbage that keeps getting sold to us over and over. Go on about the poor guitarist that cant affford shit. Ive personally had at least two rectos that ive bought used for that price.

The poor guitarist is going to wait for the Bugera to be used too

 

[Valtyr]

I have to admit there is a bit of patriotism that comes into play with me, I'd still want the Mesa if I could afford it even though the sound was very close. That said, I do buy import gear and some of it has been great.

That said, I know that my Mesa's have been trouble free and solid. I don't know if the Bugera would be equally dependable. I realize Mesa doesn't make all their own parts and they might even use some of the same parts for all I know, but I have also dealt with Mesa customer service in the past and they have always been great to me.

 

[fluff191]

I do get the patriotism side of things and also get that a good product costs what it does because of the craftsmanship that goes along with it.

For me, if I was just starting out, the Bugera would be something I would buy to play until I had enough to buy the Mesa. It would be a stepping stone for me, nothing more. The Mesa would still be the top of the proverbial mountain.

 

[VC4Ever]

Lol you compare two amps with the same setting and we are suppose to decide which is better? No two amps are the same and the same settings don't mean shit. You were able to dial in the Bugera to sound decent and went off that. Dual Recs have been recorded on countless hit albums. All this is is Fluf IMO.

 

[primerib]

Bugera sounds like unemployed Americans and Chinese theft.

Sounds very close. But counterfeits are designed to sound close.

As destroyed as the economy is, the huge number of unemployed or underemployed people that are out there...

It is amazing Americans buy this stuff. It is a pretty poison. And stealing downloaded music did not hurt any musicians either.

It doesn't matter how great of a counterfeit it is, it is like a cancer that Americans pay money to get.

If you don't understand economics well enough to understand how this hurts our economy, remember that you don't have to understand the nuclear bomb works for it to kill you.

The fact is that spending money with China is funding the friend of North Korea. Right now China is openly saying they are still backing N K even after they say they will launch a first Nuke strike on the US. They have token criticism but funnel all the supplies to them they need.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/world/asia/china-says-it-will-not-abandon-north-korea.html?_r=0

I think they sound similar. But yeah, it's a cheap knockoff for godsake. Are people too poor they can't afford the real thing?

 

[borninwinter]

For me, if I was just starting out, the Bugera would be something I would buy to play until I had enough to buy the Mesa. It would be a stepping stone for me, nothing more. The Mesa would still be the top of the proverbial mountain.

Agree. I mean, if Mesa decided to make an $800 recto with some corners cut, it would absolutely crush Bugera. But since they haven't done that, its safe to say that they don't want to. Bugera isn't "undercutting" Mesa, just selling to a crowd that Mesa isn't interested in dealing with.

 

[borninwinter]

Are people too poor they can't afford the real thing?

Well, yes. There are some people that can't afford a new Bugera, actually. Not sure you should be required to have a certain amount of money in the bank to try to make music...

 

[Chris6870]

I'd buy a used Mesa before I bought that.

 

[VC4Ever]

Oh yea and your using Eminence Speakers to compare

 

[borninwinter]

If you're really hard up, you're probably going with the used Bugera...

 

[fluff191]

Lol you compare two amps with the same setting and we are suppose to decide which is better? No two amps are the same and the same settings don't mean shit. You were able to dial in the Bugera to sound decent and went off that. Dual Recs have been recorded on countless hit albums. All this is is Fluf IMO.

The point of this video is to show the differences with the same settings, not to get each amp to it's tonal optimum.

And for the record, I started with the EQ on each amp at NOON, but the Mesa sounded like it was under water. So I dialed the Mesa to be better in a mix and then matched the Bugera. IMO the Bugera is a bit brighter than I would dial it if I were recording it on its own.

Oh yea and your using Eminence Speakers to compare

Not sure how Eminence speakers matter. Everyone on here goes on and on about the economy blah blah blah but I buy an AMERICAN MADE speaker and now I am getting flamed for not using a Chinese speaker (Celestion) to make the American-made amp sound better?

If I wanted fizz I would plug my amps into a soda can, thanks.

 

[VC4Ever]

Actually the V30's in Mesa Cabs are still made in UK. And they are designed for their amps not crappy cardboard Eminence speakers.

 

[borninwinter]

Actually the V30's in Mesa Cabs are still made in UK. And they are designed for their amps not crappy cardboard Eminence speakers.

Both amps were going thru the same speakers...

 

[VC4Ever]

Actually the V30's in Mesa Cabs are still made in UK. And they are designed for their amps not crappy cardboard Eminence speakers.

Both amps were going thru the same speakers...

...and? My point is the Dual Rec is going to sound like ass though those speakers.

 

[fluff191]

Actually the V30's in Mesa Cabs are still made in UK. And they are designed for their amps not crappy cardboard Eminence speakers.

But if I did that then you would be crying about how I biased the demo towards Mesa.

Can I get your number so anything I do in the future I can run by you for your approval?

 

[VC4Ever]

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