fluff191":35d09t7u said:
TheMagicEight":35d09t7u said:
You don't see Mesa or any of the other contemporary builders taking an amp design and putting their name on it. That's not how Mesa started and there's really no comparison. They make something unique. They're INNOVATORS. There's a big difference.
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So Splawn, Freidman, Soldano and those kinds of companies are original? And you are going to tell me those designs are totally original?
It blows my mind you guys get so defensive about a company like Bugera but a company like Ceriatone that's sells exact copies of amps as a kit are just fine.
Seems to me there is a huge double standard here. Maybe if they charged a load more money and said they were based in America it would be ok right?
Just want to chime and say I agree with all of the logic you've put forth in this thread. Furthermore, in the interest of a free market and capitalism, as Japan did 30-40 years ago, maybe China can do now: put forth a level of quality that forces American manufacturers to reconsider how they do things, and attain higher quality principles (in the quantitative sense) than what we achieve now. Deming's work in Japan changed the game...
But I digress. I'd have to ask a few questions for those of you deriding the fact that Bugera makes their product in China:
1) Do you own a vehicle? If so, where was it made? What country is the manufacturer from?
2) Do you drink beer? Is it all local craft beer? Because if it's standard macro, you're either supporting Belgium/Brazil (All Anheuser-Busch Inbev products), England (SABMiller, Diageo, Guinness), Canada (Molson Coors), etc. If you drink wine, is it all US wine? Liquor all US liquor (keep in mind that, excepting small scale distillers, the only booze of real quality in made in this country is Kentucky and Tennessee Whiskey).
3) Are all of your guitars American made? Amps? Own a Ceriatone or GAS for one? Own a Marshall? The first Marshall amps were copies of Fender amps, remember? How about a Diezel or Engl?
You don't literally have to answer those questions. But there's a point I'm trying to get across. We live in a global economy with global competition. It's not like Mesa is doing badly. Bugera's target market isn't going to buy Mesa in the first place. It's mainly for either the international market or the beginner/intermediate budget market here. In fact, Mesa isn't the company that should be worried. Peavey is. And let's not forget that the XXX, down to the looks, was supposed to be a Recto knockoff, so this is a taste of their own medicine.
People just aren't going to proudly use Bugera anytime, if ever instead of a Mesa. The only thing I could concievably see happening is, like the parent company has done with it's pro audio side, you could see Behringer buy out another more heralded guitar amp manufacturer and start using their schematics, parts, what have you. They bought Midas not too long ago and came out with a very highly regarded digital board, the X32. Anyone who does live sound knows Midas is top notch... and lots of engineers are GASsing for this board, but musicians haven't caught up yet. They see Behringer on the gear list and they get worried, especially when it's such an integral part of the rig like the console. But it's a really good sounding, good functioning board.
The nit picking does get a little ridiculous sometimes.
