Cab Dilema

[Racerxrated]

They are Greenbacks (G12M-25) with a larger dust cover and more power handling. So they have that GB sound, but a little darker, with smoother highs and tighter lows. They sound a little muffled and fuzzy at low volumes. But when pushed with some volume, they get very piano-like and musical.

Do they still break up like GBs, or not because they can handle more power? I love that GB breakup in the low-end. The highs are kinda blah, tho.

See, I hear the darker thing and I don't agree. My cab is warm like a V30 cab but less of a mid spike, but brighter by a long shot than my EVH cab with the Heritage GBs. To me it gives me a tone in-between a GB cab and a V30 cab. Just love the tone.

 

[FourT6and2]

See, I hear the darker thing and I don't agree. My cab is warm like a V30 cab but less of a mid spike, but brighter by a long shot than my EVH cab with the Heritage GBs. To me it gives me a tone in-between a GB cab and a V30 cab. Just love the tone.

The G12-65 is just a Greenback with a larger dust cover. And all that does is attenuate the high end. So yeah, it's definitely "darker" than a GB. You're also comparing cabs, not just speakers. Which you can't really do and remain objective at the same time. The EVH cab is a dark cab in and of itself. Also depends on which 65 you're talking about. There were a lot of variations back in the day. And then there's also the Heritage and the new G12M-65.

When it comes down to it, G12-65s are darker than both V30s and Greenbacks. If you compared each speaker in the same cab, you'd hear it.

But yeah, I'm gonna ship my Bogner cab that's loaded with 65s back to me as well as the bare Greenbacks I originally pulled from it. Trying to decide if I should ship my Mesa 2x12 as well. But I probably don't need it unless I just want a different flavor compared to my Bogner 2x12.

How'd I get so many cabs?????

 

[barnesjd]

How'd I get so many cabs?????

Probably like me. I've gotten obsessed with them lately. I have 1 guitar, 1 amp... 3 4x12s and a 1x12...

And all of this talk about G12-65s is NOT helping. I've found a white '82 Anniversary Marshall cab in Nashville that I'm gonna buy if I can get rid of my GB-loaded Marshall.

 

[Racerxrated]

Having different cabs is the best way to keep a great amp but have different options in tone. And usually cheaper than buying a new amp. G12 65s, V30s, GBs...I got it all covered. I had a G12 80 cab that was cool but definitely a dark tone..my kid got it for his grad present..he loves it. The storage space suffers though...

 

[Racerxrated]

See, I hear the darker thing and I don't agree. My cab is warm like a V30 cab but less of a mid spike, but brighter by a long shot than my EVH cab with the Heritage GBs. To me it gives me a tone in-between a GB cab and a V30 cab. Just love the tone.

The G12-65 is just a Greenback with a larger dust cover. And all that does is attenuate the high end. So yeah, it's definitely "darker" than a GB. You're also comparing cabs, not just speakers. Which you can't really do and remain objective at the same time. The EVH cab is a dark cab in and of itself. Also depends on which 65 you're talking about. There were a lot of variations back in the day. And then there's also the Heritage and the new G12M-65.

When it comes down to it, G12-65s are darker than both V30s and Greenbacks. If you compared each speaker in the same cab, you'd hear it.

But yeah, I'm gonna ship my Bogner cab that's loaded with 65s back to me as well as the bare Greenbacks I originally pulled from it. Trying to decide if I should ship my Mesa 2x12 as well. But I probably don't need it unless I just want a different flavor compared to my Bogner 2x12.

How'd I get so many cabs?????

Yeah I can hear the similarities in the greenback comparison..the high end sparkle is there. But these are the Marshall labeled ones, just like the 65s that someone is selling in the classifieds. Same number-3120. To me it has a tamer high end than a GB but the mids are warmer and more pronounced, just a perfect match for a Marshall..and in my case the SLO. The EVH cab is no slouch and sounds great as well but different mid response imo. If I plug the SLO into the Marshall cab and then the EVH, without changing the EQ the EVH gives me a more modern tone. It's that much darker to me. I definitely have to re-eq the SLO when I gig with the EVH cab.

 

[Racerxrated]

How'd I get so many cabs?????

Probably like me. I've gotten obsessed with them lately. I have 1 guitar, 1 amp... 3 4x12s and a 1x12...

And all of this talk about G12-65s is NOT helping. I've found a white '82 Anniversary Marshall cab in Nashville that I'm gonna buy if I can get rid of my GB-loaded Marshall.

Get it! That Granger you have will love it!!

 

[atrox]

There's also this clip with a Bogner 2x12 and WGS ET65s, which I guess would be similar to my G12-65s.

Yeah. I thought so too. G12-65 is my speaker of choice. The ET-65 isn't even in the same family. They are nasally and annoying sounding through my 2203 and through my old JCA100. I couldn't wait to sell those things.

 

[barnesjd]

The G12-65 is just a Greenback with a larger dust cover. And all that does is attenuate the high end.

I was just thinking about what you said here, and I'm a little confused about the power handling. If it's just a difference in dust cover, how does that allow it to be rated over twice the wattage??

 

[FourT6and2]

The G12-65 is just a Greenback with a larger dust cover. And all that does is attenuate the high end.

I was just thinking about what you said here, and I'm a little confused about the power handling. If it's just a difference in dust cover, how does that allow it to be rated over twice the wattage??

There are other small differences here and there. But it's the same reason Scumback can offer the same speaker in 25, 65, and 100 watt versions. For all intents and purposes, the 65 is a Greenback with more power handling and rolled-off highs.

This reference describes them as being brighter, which again... I don't understand, nor agree with: http://www.legendarytones.com/Celestionsexplored.html

 

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how much for the mesa?

 

[Racerxrated]

The G12-65 is just a Greenback with a larger dust cover. And all that does is attenuate the high end.

I was just thinking about what you said here, and I'm a little confused about the power handling. If it's just a difference in dust cover, how does that allow it to be rated over twice the wattage??

There are other small differences here and there. But it's the same reason Scumback can offer the same speaker in 25, 65, and 100 watt versions. For all intents and purposes, the 65 is a Greenback with more power handling and rolled-off highs.

This reference describes them as being brighter, which again... I don't understand, nor agree with: http://www.legendarytones.com/Celestionsexplored.html

Sorry but I just gotta disagree a bit. They are different in the mids than a greenback. I've had newer/older Ms, C's (VM/Hendrix GBs) and now the Heritage Ms. They are warmer in the mids than any GB I've had..the only GBs I haven't tried are pre-Rolas. Had creambacks, blackbacks...I don't find them dark at all. Maybe less top end than a GB but not dark at all. Mine are the 3120's...

 

[FourT6and2]

The G12-65 is just a Greenback with a larger dust cover. And all that does is attenuate the high end.

I was just thinking about what you said here, and I'm a little confused about the power handling. If it's just a difference in dust cover, how does that allow it to be rated over twice the wattage??

There are other small differences here and there. But it's the same reason Scumback can offer the same speaker in 25, 65, and 100 watt versions. For all intents and purposes, the 65 is a Greenback with more power handling and rolled-off highs.

This reference describes them as being brighter, which again... I don't understand, nor agree with: http://www.legendarytones.com/Celestionsexplored.html

Sorry but I just gotta disagree a bit. They are different in the mids than a greenback. I've had newer/older Ms, C's (VM/Hendrix GBs) and now the Heritage Ms. They are warmer in the mids than any GB I've had..the only GBs I haven't tried are pre-Rolas. Had creambacks, blackbacks...I don't find them dark at all. Maybe less top end than a GB but not dark at all. Mine are the 3120's...

Here. Look at these. Not sure if these are reissue/heritage 65s or original ones, though. There's no interpretation here. It's pretty cut and dry. Also keep in mind that the scale on the left side is in 10 dB increments. And 6 dB represents a doubling in volume at a specific frequency. So yeah... I don't know about you, but according to the curves 65s are definitely darker (you use the word warmer, semantic difference).

 

[FourT6and2]

Here's the 65 and GB in one graph. Kinda small. But best I could get. GB is red. 65, blue.

 

[barnesjd]

The all look so similar yet sound so different.

 

[FourT6and2]

The all look so similar yet sound so different.

It's the scale. 6 dB is a doubling of volume at that frequency. And the vertical scale is in 10 dB increments. So a small amount = a big difference.

 

[barnesjd]

It's the scale. 6 dB is a doubling of volume at that frequency. And the vertical scale is in 10 dB increments. So a small amount = a big difference.

Ah, gotcha. That makes since with that big spike on the V30 chart on the high end. Hopefully I'll get a shot at some 65s. I just hope they have that distorted low-end growl that I love from my evh's.

 

[FourT6and2]

It's the scale. 6 dB is a doubling of volume at that frequency. And the vertical scale is in 10 dB increments. So a small amount = a big difference.

Ah, gotcha. That makes since with that big spike on the V30 chart on the high end. Hopefully I'll get a shot at some 65s. I just hope they have that distorted low-end growl that I love from my evh's.

I've never played an EVH cab so I can't compare. But you gotta push the 65s to get them to really give up the goods. At lower volumes they are sort of fuzzy. Not fizzy. But fuzzy in the lows. When pushed they get very vocal and sort of sound like a piano—clear and musical and full. Hard to describe.

 

[barnesjd]

I've never played an EVH cab so I can't compare. But you gotta push the 65s to get them to really give up the goods. At lower volumes they are sort of fuzzy. Not fizzy. But fuzzy in the lows. When pushed they get very vocal and sort of sound like a piano—clear and musical and full. Hard to describe.

Well that's certainly the type of speaker I'd like. However I should mention my plan is to get a 2204 clone to push my GB/perhaps G12-65 cab. I really like my overdrive SLO channel through the V30s with my Ibanez delay in the loop. It just slays in the mids and highs.

Btw, do you offhand know of cabs other than Marshall in that time frame which had G12-65s that I should be on the lookout for?

 

[FourT6and2]

I've never played an EVH cab so I can't compare. But you gotta push the 65s to get them to really give up the goods. At lower volumes they are sort of fuzzy. Not fizzy. But fuzzy in the lows. When pushed they get very vocal and sort of sound like a piano—clear and musical and full. Hard to describe.

Well that's certainly the type of speaker I'd like. However I should mention my plan is to get a 2204 clone to push my GB/perhaps G12-65 cab. I really like my overdrive SLO channel through the V30s with my Ibanez delay in the loop. It just slays in the mids and highs.

Btw, do you offhand know of cabs other than Marshall in that time frame which had G12-65s that I should be on the lookout for?

You have a clip of your SLO through V30s?

And nope, I can't think of any other cabs 65s came in. I got mine on eBay though. Every once in a while you'll see them pop up as pulls (no cab).

 

[barnesjd]

You have a clip of your SLO through V30s?

Best I can do is iPhone if that works for you.