CAE 3+ PREAMP advice needed Mr.DAY

[Gorehog]

well i sold the axe-fx.for various reasons not needed to get into.

looking into these bradshaw preamps.i've seen the youtube vids of CAE heads and preamp.

i'm really just gonna use it for recording.(have my eye on another amp for jamming).

i use a IMAC with Logic 8 and an Apogee Duet for recording.

silly question #1.would i need a d.i box,or can i plug straight into the duet?

was wondering the general consensus on ease of recording and ease of tone getting.i'd rather play/practice than tweak knobs.

thx.

 

[The Hoff]

Not helping you with your dilemma at all but I always absolutely loved Mark Days CAE3+SE clips.

Definitely something I'd be interested in checking out.

I'm sure Mr Day will chime in, either way-good luck!

 

[Gorehog]

yes.i loved his clips too.i searched other, and it seems to be the norm.great sounding preamp.

and i want the preamp as opposed to the head.
1) to take up the rackspace left by the vacating snax.

2)and to keep my recording gear in the same rack.

price is ok too.i guess.

its all friggin expensive!!!!!!!!!!

thx for chimin in.

 

[Gorehog]

i'll should go check out his videos to see how he ran the head into logic.that'll answer one question.

(smacks head like i shoulda had a v8)

 

[Mark Day]

The OD100se+ head has the CAE3+SE ch3 as it's lead channel. I'm not sure that the circuit is exact but it has tha singing tone.

There's nothing like the OD100se+ going through a 4x12" or two. The CAE preamp sounds great through a nice power amp and 4x12" as well. I have had good luck with the OD100 into a HotPlate and direct into the Duet from the line out of the HP then using Redwirez IRs as cab sims.

I know EVH used the CAE3+SE for some of the FUCK cd. Not sure if he ran direct or used a poweramp and cab? John Suhr would know.

Did you know the AxeFx has a CAE3+SE sim in it?

I really liked the CAE with a Mesa 2:100 poweramp into 4x12"s, however I preferred the OD100se+. Something about that power section that really rocks.

Personally I would go with the OD100se+ head and an attenuator with software Ir's before the CAE and Ir's. Like I said something about the poweramp section of that head that just rocks.

Mark

 

[Gorehog]

hmmm.....

yes i'm familiar with the axe version.i have no good or bad to say.my axe problem is...i just bought the standard in january,now the axe 2 is out.standard pretty much obsolete.better to get rid of it now and start over,than hold on to it and lose more value.i got a great price on it.sold today,actually.

i think i may be intimidated to mic an amp.i've heard the failure of others,locally and don't wanna fall into the boat.thats what i liked about the snax.plug it in...ready to record.good sounds need to be dialed in compared to bad mike placement and room sound.

price...3200 smackers is pretty damn high.maybe a lil out of budget ATM.i'm in the middle of makin a cd and already started it with the snax.now i need to start over..though to buy the preamp and a good power amp,it would be close.
i was in power amp/preamp thinking mode.as i mentioned earlier.to keep preamp/power amp in rack.i think if i bought a head i'd be more interested in a Splawn Quickrod.tho the suhr stuff is top grade.and i'm not against it or paying the price for what i need/want.

tho,i really think your clips are fantastic.i seen you boost it.and i also have a Riot,which i think is hands down best dist pedal ever.i use it alot.

i'll have more questions in a bit i'm sure.

what i need to know right now is...
how exactly is the setup to record into the duet using the OD100SE+ ? quick diagram or even a link please.
just set it up as playing live,mic the cab.run the mic to duet and have the attenuator kill some volume?

i'm kinda aware a head needs to be plugged into a cab or i guess an IR or else it'll blow up.

I've never used an attenuator or cab IR's.clueless on cab IR's actually.
i do have a Splawn 4x12 cab w/celestion v30s.obviously the attenuator keeps volume down to get that proper tone while still pushing the head.
i was just thinking,and again,i'm a noob,shouldn't their be a way to record amp directly into duet,just like i plugged the snax directly in and had good sounds at low volumes.
i thought i might be able to set up the preamp the same way as the snax.volume low on preamp and power amp.then adjust volume on duet.

thx for puttin up w/ my silly questions,but i'm about to start my rig over and spend lots of cash.i could really use the insight from you and all the people here.

 

[Mark Day]

I don't like an attenuator unless I'm using software cab sims(Ir's). When I record the OD100 I just mic it. If I have to keep the volume at a whisper vol then I will use a HotPlate and go direct into the Duet and use Logic's Space Designer and Redwirez Ir's. I prefer mics. The return level on the OD100 does a great job of keeping the volume under control while still sounding great.

If you really need to keep volume level down then probably the AxeFx is a great choice. I love the AxeFx for recording. The AxeFx II IMHO is significantly better than the Ultra.

I could hang with the AxeFx or my OD100 and I do. Both sound great. The AxeFx 2 with it's USB audio and midi interface and re-amping is hard to beat for recording.

Mark

 

[Gorehog]

ok.lets see here...i'm gonna google redwirez and cab IRs in general to get understanding on how they work and how to use them.

amp volume is middle of the road.i def can't have a 100 watt amp on 4-5 in my in house music studio(wife,kids).

i think i just shined away from the whole axe-fx thing.i waited,and did my research b4 buying.( i didn't get one til january '11)i bought the standard cuz i'm not a big fx person.then the axe 2 comes out with no warning.i kinda felt up a creek.not that they FA did anything wrong,it just put me in a bad headspace.plus i was always tweaking.what sounded good yesterday,could sound better today.

i've used digital stuff for yrs.i had a digitech 2120 artist for almost 10 yrs til i sold it.so its not the modeling scene.i have a marshall vintage modern i'm actually selling cuz its not enuff to do metal stuff.great for classic rock.but now i'm in a grindcore band again.i just think i wanna go head/cab or as i was thinking power amp/preamp.but theres no where for me to play thru these on my own w/o buying.

both the head and cab seem pretty versatile.

volume might be my biggest problem here.i think the tone is there.judging by videos.its how to tame the volume and get the great sounds at the same time.

thx mark i really appreciate it.

BTW,..GO HABS!!!!!!!

 

[Gorehog]

after further research,i think i'm gonna go with the cae preamp and a good power amp.

do i need to have the preamp at high volume to get good sounds out of it?

looks llike its coming down to volume.i want great sounds at the axe-fx-like low volume.but i don't want the axe-fx 2.

 

[R.D.]

I know EVH used the CAE3+SE for some of the FUCK cd. Not sure if he ran direct or used a poweramp and cab? John Suhr would know.

FWIW - I think John said EVH ran the CAE3-SE into the loop return of one of Lukather's Marshall heads ....

 

[Mark Day]

I had no issue getting good bedroom volumes with the CAE 3+se, but then again I don't have have issue with getting good bedroom volumes with the OD100se+ and I prefer the OD100se+

Mark