Can people verify if the G-System is the tone sucker ...

[Gooseman]

... that many claim it is. It seems like people are very, very polarized on this unit. I have an itch and am thinking about getting one. The pedalboard thing is spendy too. I just don't know which way to go, to be honest with you. The fact that the G-System is an all in one unit thing, is very intriguing.

 

[ACShreds]

I had a G system limited red version and sold it not long after buying it. Great idea on paper but it sucks too much tone and the routing of the fx is bad.

 

[Mizati20]

Horrible unit for the exact reason you are hesitant to buy it, not much else to be said...

 

[rrobertson]

I have one and am very pleased with it. I use a wireless x2, and that acts as my buffer. Many others have found the Lehle Sunday driver as an input buffer solves any "tone suck". The complaints you hear on the gsystem are usually someone who doesn't even own one or someone who spent five minutes with it thinking it was just plug and play. It certainly takes some setup time and dialing in, but imho, its a great piece of gear that is really worth the money for all it does.

 

[Gooseman]

Ahh, so people are seemingly very polarized on this tone suck issue here at the Rig Talk forum as well. Yikes, I don't know what to think to be honest. Geez ...

It does seem like an amazing unit. The tone suck thing just seems even more true by TCs endorsement of the iB Modified version. They even claim on their website that this version is even more transparent, a statement that clearly begs the question ...

 

[rrobertson]

All they did was integrate an input buffer, which most users in the know had already done. I have a few minor complaints about my gsystem - tone suck is not one of them.

 

[thiswaythatway]

I have one and am very pleased with it. I use a wireless x2, and that acts as my buffer. Many others have found the Lehle Sunday driver as an input buffer solves any "tone suck". The complaints you hear on the gsystem are usually someone who doesn't even own one or someone who spent five minutes with it thinking it was just plug and play. It certainly takes some setup time and dialing in, but imho, its a great piece of gear that is really worth the money for all it does.

I had one and tweaked the crap out of it. It's a tone sucker even with a buffer, I used the MI-Audio Boost N Buff. Now, I thought I had it close but if you can switch back and fourth with it in and out of the 4cm method, I found there to be tone suck no matter what. The only thing on the G that helps bring your amp's tone back is to increase the input level, but then it adds gain to everything.

But the real letdown if the fact that it forces you to use modulation after the preamp which is a complete waste. Chorus, Flanger, and phaser all sound like garbage after the preamp with any amount of gain, for clean I guess it's ok. Sure you can use the loops, but what this thing costs it has too many drawbacks and limitations.

TC ELECTRONICS. FIX the front end and allow the used to assign any effect block post or pre. Until they do that I won't bother with it.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Ahh, so people are seemingly very polarized on this tone suck issue here at the Rig Talk forum as well. Yikes, I don't know what to think to be honest. Geez ...

It does seem like an amazing unit. The tone suck thing just seems even more true by TCs endorsement of the iB Modified version. They even claim on their website that this version is even more transparent, a statement that clearly begs the question ...

And users are still shelling out money for buffers even with the ib modified version. They still didn't fix the front end of this thing. And since the original one isn't transparent at all, they still have a lot of work to do.

 

[Audioholic]

Mine worked fine for me. Tone suck? Maybe a little but through a good loop it was barely noticeable to me. Loved mine when I had it

 

[cujo]

Is anyone ever going to make something like the g system that actually ppl like

 

[Gooseman]

Is anyone ever going to make something like the g system that actually ppl like

Isn't this the Axe Fx?

 

[Gooseman]

I must be the lone nut who like flanger and chorus after the preamp -- even with distorted passages. Tone suck is not something I am cool with though.

I may just do the whole RJM Amp Gizmo route after all. Not sure though.

 

[cujo]

Ax fx has preamps gsystem is just fx. Will they fixed this. There is the new ib modified version of gsystem out now. Fixed buffer?

 

[ShredMojo]

what about the Nova System? I haven't bought one yet because I fear this

 

[Skrln]

Nova system doesn't have buffer issues as encountered by many of the g system users.

I just ordered one, but do think it has some other flaws. You just need to make out for yourself if you're bothered by them and if they hinder your needs.

What I don't like about the nova system: You can't use it in the loop if you want to use the drive section. You can't use both presets and toggle on/off single fx without the extra g-switch footswitch. You can't use an expression pedal if you use the g-switch.

What I like about nova system: Same fx for the most part as the g-system, great analog drive/distortion circuit that the g-system doesn't have, small, cheap, it's a midi controller.

I think price wise it's very safe to buy the nova system as it is very much plug and play. Unlike the gsystem where you have to experiment with extra buffers, balanced cables, noise suppressors, etc... Those things don't only cost a lot of extra money (gsystem isn't cheap as is), but also a lot of time and effort.

 

[jlbaxe]

PITA to adjust or program, took me a while to get use to it and was still hard to get what I wanted out of it. Built like a tank. Sold it and do not miss anything about it.

 

[Gooseman]

Yeah, this is also a great question == where DOES the Nova System stack up? Is it also a tone sucker?

 

[lordriffenstein]

I tested the G-system and did not like it, returned it after a couple of weeks, the front end is just not right sounding.
A couple of months ago I got to try the Nova System and liked that a lot so I am now building a board with the Nova System. I'm using a Musicom looper for pre-gain stuff and have the Nova in the loop of the amp. Sounds killer, it's not as flexible as my GForce but tonewise it is just as good.

You can't use both presets and toggle on/off single fx without the extra g-switch footswitch.

This is incorrect, you can still switch presets in pedal mode. Pedal mode allows you to toggle the fx on/off, to change presets you just have to keep the switch pushed in for 2 seconds. Changing banks? Same deal, hit the bank up/down for 2 secs and it switches. I'm using my Musicom to switch presets on the Nova via midi and have the Nova in pedal mode so I can still switch the individual fx.

 

[Skrln]

That's nice to know lordriffenstein.

But it's the other way round, you can't toggle fx in preset mode, right? Well, you can the top row (boost, delay). But not the preset row. Correct?

 

[crwnedblasphemy]

I can't verify about the G-System, but every TC thing i have tried sucks tone...