Congrats to Mayor Zohran!

[TheBiggestJerk]

Here is my hard hitting, well thought out, deep cut analysis: Guy sucks and everyone will turn on him in 8 months or less.

Start a poole.

 

[JamesTiberiusKirk]

This just shows you don't actually know what socialism is. Everything you listed are social programs which are completely different and have nothing to do with socialism.

Socialism = an economic system where the government controls the means of production with the goal of eliminating class distinctions and redistributing wealth.

Social programs = government funded services within an existing economic structure such as capitalism which serve to create a safety net for citizens.

Social programs have nothing to do with controlling production, redistribution of wealth, or eliminating class structure like socialism does. Social programs are also not an economic system like socialism is. They are policies within a given system. Put simply, social programs are services which happen to be provided by the government. The only thing socialism and social programs have in common is the word social.

Why do you think they call them SOCIAL programs??? Don't you think the name tells anything?

You then go on to describe hard core communism. Like this: controlling production, redistribution of wealth, or eliminating class structure

This is why I was loathe to even chime in. There's an entire generation that's been taught that socialism is actually hard core communism or feudalism or the devil incarnate. All while collecting food stamps, using Medicare, etc.

Hey, you win. I tried.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

Why do you think they call them SOCIAL programs??? Don't you think the name tells anything?

By this logic anything with the word social in it is socialism.
social gathering, social media, social science, social norm, social network, social scene, social etiquette, social studies, etc. etc. I guess all of these are socialism to you?

You then go on to describe hard core communism. Like this: controlling production, redistribution of wealth, or eliminating class structure

These are tenets of both communism and socialism. Socialism is basically communism lite with some; but few, allowances for private ownership. Communism comes into play as the final stage of socialism.

This is why I was loathe to even chime in. There's an entire generation that's been taught that socialism is actually hard core communism or feudalism or the devil incarnate. All while collecting food stamps, using Medicare, etc.

If you loathe it here why do you keep coming back? You don't add anything to conversation anyway so you wouldn't be missed.

Hey, you win. I tried.

I wasn't even addressing if socialism is a viable form of government, just arguing the point that social programs are not the same thing as socialism. You seem to want to conflate them even though they each have distinct definitions that do not overlap. So, please enlighten us all on how social programs are the same thing as socialism. So far you've only offered the platitude of they don't call them social for nothing.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Why do you think they call them SOCIAL programs??? Don't you think the name tells anything?

You then go on to describe hard core communism. Like this: controlling production, redistribution of wealth, or eliminating class structure

This is why I was loathe to even chime in. There's an entire generation that's been taught that socialism is actually hard core communism or feudalism or the devil incarnate. All while collecting food stamps, using Medicare, etc.

Hey, you win. I tried.

You seem like a not unintelligent person. Please tell me you don't believe that the word social denotes socialism as a system of governance. Society, root word is what ? So are you saying every society is socialist ? Mad a a Hatter accurately defined socialism.

And dude, the people calling themselves democratic socialists don't call themselves that because they believe in firefighters, police and social programs. One of the first things the dickhead in NY does is try to pass a law telling people they have to give the state first dibs if they sell their property and make a speech saying he was going to replace rugged individualism with socialism.

I know it's hard to get yourself to disagree with democrats and progressives, but hey, if me and @NoHassle can admit Trump didn't have the right to invade Venezuela surely you can admit that the socialism that Momdani and progressives are pushing is not about giving free healthcare to everyone.

 

[Monkey Man]

Gotta say I'm impressed by the eloquence and succinctness with which members here describe these philosophies.

@Floyd Eye and @MadAsAHatter I'm lookin' at you guys in-particular.

No way could I have made the distinction clearer myself.

 

[JamesTiberiusKirk]

By this logic anything with the word social in it is socialism.
social gathering, social media, social science, social norm, social network, social scene, social etiquette, social studies, etc. etc. I guess all of these are socialism to you?

That's not logic. That's stretching a point past sensibility. All those things you mentioned...do ANY of them involve the government giving you anything? No. See the difference?

These are tenets of both communism and socialism. Socialism is basically communism lite with some; but few, allowances for private ownership. Communism comes into play as the final stage of socialism.

I agree that these forms of govt lay on a continuum. What the US calls capitalism is Socialism lite. See all the examples of socialism I already pointed out that exist right now, right here. The issue is that some of the populous has been trained to equate socialism with hard core communism. And it just ain't so.

If you loathe it here why do you keep coming back? You don't add anything to conversation anyway so you wouldn't be missed.

If I didn't add anything to the conversation, you wouldn't be so quick to reply. Yet, here you are. And I've been respectful and polite for the most part, no need to diss me. But go ahead if you must, water off a duck's back.

I wasn't even addressing if socialism is a viable form of government, just arguing the point that social programs are not the same thing as socialism. You seem to want to conflate them even though they each have distinct definitions that do not overlap. So, please enlighten us all on how social programs are the same thing as socialism. So far you've only offered the platitude of they don't call them social for nothing.

Well, socialism IS social programs. How many there are seperates the US from Sweden or any other country you want to use as and example.

I find it amusing that you refuse to accept that there is *some* socialism here already.

Ok, I've beat this horse enough. I'll try my best to leave this one lie.

 

[JamesTiberiusKirk]

You seem like a not unintelligent person. Please tell me you don't believe that the word social denotes socialism as a system of governance. Society, root word is what ? So are you saying every society is socialist ? Mad a a Hatter accurately defined socialism.

And dude, the people calling themselves democratic socialists don't call themselves that because they believe in firefighters, police and social programs. One of the first things the dickhead in NY does is try to pass a law telling people they have to give the state first dibs if they sell their property and make a speech saying he was going to replace rugged individualism with socialism.

I know it's hard to get yourself to disagree with democrats and progressives, but hey, if me and @NoHassle can admit Trump didn't have the right to invade Venezuela surely you can admit that the socialism that Momdani and progressives are pushing is not about giving free healthcare to everyone.

I don't know what Mondami is going to do so before I write him off I'll see what he does. The brief summary of the law I read said only multi unit (10+) were going to be affected, presumably to set up rent control housing. That might be a disaster, it might be great. I can easily see it both ways.

What that law doesn't do is force you to sell your single family dwelling to the city.

And thanks for the kind words about me not being a dummy.

 

[Monkey Man]

FWIMBW I agree with @JamesTiberiusKirk that he's been polite.

Every capitalist society / government has socialist programmes. It's a matter of degree bro'.

Anywho, just wanted to point out that to your credit, you have been polite IIRC.

 

[The Blazing Saddle]

 

[Floyd Eye]

I don't know what Mondami is going to do so before I write him off I'll see what he does. The brief summary of the law I read said only multi unit (10+) were going to be affected, presumably to set up rent control housing. That might be a disaster, it might be great. I can easily see it both ways.

What that law doesn't do is force you to sell your single family dwelling to the city.

And thanks for the kind words about me not being a dummy.

Who said anything about a single family dwelling ? It's ok for the state to take your property if you're a landlord ? Landlords are evil ? A lot of people wouldn't have a place to live but for landlords. That's some fucked up thinking dude. It's gonna be hard to find common ground with someone who thinks it's ok if the city forces you to sell your property to them unless it's a single family dwelling. For now, until they decide they want those too.

 

[Floyd Eye]

That's not logic. That's stretching a point past sensibility. All those things you mentioned...do ANY of them involve the government giving you anything? No. See the difference?

I agree that these forms of govt lay on a continuum. What the US calls capitalism is Socialism lite. See all the examples of socialism I already pointed out that exist right now, right here. The issue is that some of the populous has been trained to equate socialism with hard core communism. And it just ain't so.

If I didn't add anything to the conversation, you wouldn't be so quick to reply. Yet, here you are. And I've been respectful and polite for the most part, no need to diss me. But go ahead if you must, water off a duck's back.

Well, socialism IS social programs. How many there are seperates the US from Sweden or any other country you want to use as and example.

I find it amusing that you refuse to accept that there is *some* socialism here already.

Ok, I've beat this horse enough. I'll try my best to leave this one lie.

Well come back when you can accurately define socialism. I'll give you a hint, socialism absolutely is NOT social programs.

You aren't an idiot. All this bending in circles just to avoid saying you support socialism. I can respect a socialist or almost anyone who stands by their convictions. People who pander and sway to pretend they don't support what they actually do support just come off as partisan with no allegiance to principles.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

If I didn't add anything to the conversation, you wouldn't be so quick to reply. Yet, here you are. And I've been respectful and polite for the most part, no need to diss me. But go ahead if you must, water off a duck's back.

That was general OTC shit talk. Don't take offence to it. But seriously, If you're willingly going to keep coming here and chiming in, it's rather unproductive to bitch that you loathe this place.

That's not logic. That's stretching a point past sensibility. All those things you mentioned...do ANY of them involve the government giving you anything? No. See the difference?

I agree that these forms of govt lay on a continuum. What the US calls capitalism is Socialism lite. See all the examples of socialism I already pointed out that exist right now, right here. The issue is that some of the populous has been trained to equate socialism with hard core communism. And it just ain't so.

Well, socialism IS social programs. How many there are seperates the US from Sweden or any other country you want to use as and example.

I find it amusing that you refuse to accept that there is *some* socialism here already.

Ok, I've beat this horse enough. I'll try my best to leave this one lie.

I was making a point that just because something has the word social in it doesn't make it socialist. As has already been pointed out social programs ARE NOT socialism. They are two distinct things. One is a form of government with core tenets the other is policies/tools that can be incorporated into any framework. All the programs you listed out do not equate to socialism. Let's take another approach to illustrate the difference. Churches offer social programs such as food, housing, and general financial assistance. Does that make a church socialist or a form of government; no it doesn't.

To reiterate
Socialism is an economic system where the government owns and controls the means of production, distribution and exchange.
Social programs are policies and tools within a given framework and independent of said framework [regardless of what that system may be].

And just because some programs have "socialist" characteristics this DOES NOT equate them to socialism. It's a matter of ideology vs policy.

Maybe your confusion is that you live in an area that is trying to implement actual socialism and you can't make the distinctions.

What the US calls capitalism is Socialism lite.

With a statement like this I can see we're beyond any kind of common ground or understanding of each other on this subject. Private vs government ownership and control of production... There must be some serious mental gymnastics going on for you to connect two polar opposite ideologies as being the same thing.

This is beyond agree to disagree as you are so flat out wrong. I'm just going to leave it here and you can revel in your ignorance.

 

[watson503]

Zohran Mamdani’s new NYC tenant advocate called to ‘seize private property,’ blasted home ownership as ‘white supremacy’​

https://nypost.com/2026/01/04/us-ne...ty-blasted-home-ownership-as-white-supremacy/

 

[Monkey Man]

 

[Robostyle]

It's like We The Living come to life

 

[The Blazing Saddle]

 

[The Blazing Saddle]

 

[The Blazing Saddle]

Can the libtards who voted for this goat ass eater be any more stupid?

 

[The Blazing Saddle]

 

[Robostyle]

So what happens then? After the whites are defeated?