Controversial gear opinions…….lets hear them.

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Hot take here. Maybe it's because I didn't grow up listening to early death metal, but I can't stand chainsaw HM2 tone. It's so loose and flubby and mushy that you cannot distinguish any notes barely. Anything from early CC to Deicide, Entombed, etc... like on The Bleeding album, I love the music but I cannot decipher the guitar through a wall of mush. I don't think it's the way those albums were produced, it's just the shitty tone. Now Death on the other hand, that is a tone I can always gel with because it doesn't sound like mush.
 
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Maybe not that hot for anybody that works on their own gear, but anybody that knows how to set up a guitar well and do some decent fretwork can make a $300 (insert country known for iffy QA) guitar play as good as anybody else's.
 
ecalcagnino said:
Maybe not that hot for anybody that works on their own gear, but anybody that knows how to set up a guitar well and do some decent fretwork can make a $300 (insert country known for iffy QA) guitar play as good as anybody else's.
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Play as good maybe, but sound as good is another matter.
 
my next hot take:

This dude is overrated as fuck and you're not convincing me otherwise




This was advertised on youtube as GEORGE LYNCH'S NASTIEST RIFF

What wasn't advertised was the pure slop
 
VonBonfire said:
I'm not that familiar with him but any player who doesn't keep on top of the chops can go from legend to slop within a pretty short time frame.
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I'm pretty sure his twitter fingers are getting plenty of practice tweeting about his insane TDS

Apparently the sentient Moai head should spend a little more time woodshedding to keep his chops up and a little less time saying retarded shit on the internet
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Fuckin best post in the thread right here.

They might not be able to tell you specifically why the sound is great vs uninspiring, that they prefer when guitar players use Mesa or Marshall vs a Gorilla, but they can absolutely hear the difference between the AM Radio effect on the guitars at the start of the song vs when everything kicks in and slams everybody in the room.

Some rigs just sound like the AM radio effect never turns off. The audience can feel that.
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I heard one of those little lunch box Orange amps sound massive. Actually it was the bass guitar that made it sound huge. It was actually all mids, you could hear it when the bass stopped playing. Amazing what a good bass tone can add to a thin guitar tone.
 
DanTravis62 said:
I'm pretty sure his twitter fingers are getting plenty of practice tweeting about his insane TDS
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Wow. Didn't realize he was in the Richard Marx "I have lived the life of a millionaire rockstar and now spend all my time raging on X" camp. I have come to the conclusion it was some sort of deal with the devil they signed and must obey because it doesn't make any sense. If I had mad success and money I'd probably be running a blues and jazz club in Chania Crete and enjoying the remaining years of my life jamming with friends and hanging with cool people, not on X...
 
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The guy who told me about rig-talk and got me into using amps instead of just playing acoustic had a lot of the small minded nonsense you hear here. And it took awhile to realise how I needed to approach gear.

It wasn't necessarily his fault. There is a big herd mentality here that you need to take for what it is.

I think a lot of us get into high gain trying to cop someone else's tone. I hope most of us kind of ditch that along the way and find our own style. However, I think most of us can distinguish a horrible tone from a good one, even if it isn't the tone that we would go for.

The obsessive quest for someone else's tone is the strangest thing to me
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Long ago I was on a quest for Dimebag's tone (his live tone). Once I achieved that I then moved on... I just wanted to see if it was achievable and with a 80's Randall RG, A MXR 6 band, A Furman PQ-3 and a Boss NS-2 noise gate I got there, then it was on to the next thing. I'm on a never-ending quest to find MY tone, that will probably never end, although I think I got the main ingredients down.
 
thegame said:
That pig now identifies as a hog
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Lmfao 🤣 There’s quite an influx of hogs infiltrating Ohio… hopefully the state adopts the year round open season laws like Texas so we can keep the ecosystem intact…
 
DanTravis62 said:
So basically everything is important and all you need is a rig where everything is good :hys:
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Well the guitar itself doesn't need to be anything special. A $300 - $400 second hand guitar with upgraded pickups and a setup will do just fine IMO.
 
nightlight said:
Copping a tone is becoming easier nowadays, using things like tone capture or IRs. And something like tone matching will get you 99% of the way there.

I think a lot of tones that figure on albums are slammed here though, right? Like Steve Vai's tones, most people hate them. But he's very successful. Same for Satch.

In that regard, also worth noting that album tones may not be as inspiring to play through than something you dialled in for the room you're in. Just so many factors that could affect what you're hearing.
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There's also the idea of aspiring to be more than a literal parrot of guitarists who came before you. It's a very low level mindset. There, that's my controversial statement. :sneaky:
 
Uzi Nein Millimetah said:
There's also the idea of aspiring to be more than a literal parrot of guitarists who came before you. It's a very low level mindset. There, that's my controversial statement. :sneaky:
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I've always felt that guitar is a tradition, handed down to us by those who came before.

You've got to cut your teeth on those older tracks so you can get inside the head of the people who wrote those classic songs and also learn those hot licks and rudimentary techniques that make you a complete guitarist.

Play those songs over and over. In a way, show respect before you get respect. No one wants to hear the songs that you and your band wrote at the age of 18, which some agent or record company man says he'll get you signed with if all the members suck his dick. First, play Free Bird.

In that regard, this might be a controversial opinion, but I am sick and tired (of these motherbucking snakes on this motherbucking plane) of guys who can shred, but are just soulless machines who are literally taught to do that by guitar teachers who learnt how to solo in the same way without understanding rhythm, song structure and flow.

Bloo-ooop-eee-dooo. Blu-oooo-wooo-WOOOO! BLOOO-Oooo-Ooooo-Bloooo. Can you imagine Hendrix singing the notes to that shite? Hahaha
 
nightlight said:
I've always felt that guitar is a tradition, handed down to us by those who came before.

You've got to cut your teeth on those older tracks so you can get inside the head of the people who wrote those classic songs and also learn those hot licks and rudimentary techniques that make you a complete guitarist.

Play those songs over and over. In a way, show respect before you get respect. No one wants to hear the songs that you and your band wrote at the age of 18, which some agent or record company man says he'll get you signed with if all the members suck his dick. First, play Free Bird.

In that regard, this might be a controversial opinion, but I am sick and tired (of these motherbucking snakes on this motherbucking plane) of guys who can shred, but are just soulless machines who are literally taught to do that by guitar teachers who learnt how to solo in the same way without understanding rhythm, song structure and flow.

Bloo-ooop-eee-dooo. Blu-oooo-wooo-WOOOO! BLOOO-Oooo-Ooooo-Bloooo. Can you imagine Hendrix singing the notes to that shite? Hahaha
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There are plenty of 11 year old virtuoso parrots on Youtube who already have technical mastery down. And 20, 30, 40, and 50+ somethings. Unlimited free online lessons make this too easy. They can play it JUST like the album, some album from 30-60 years ago with pre-generated backing tracks. In fact, more and more don't even bother to learn how to create the signal chain, they just press a button and have an exact digital model of the original (don't get me started on modelers 🤬).

But so what? Most of them will never create anything amazing or even somewhat original or interesting.

I'm excited by great new songs (both listening to them and doing my best to write them). And I really like to appreciate what all of the instruments are doing, not just guitars. Even the best songwriters only have so many great ones in them, but most people have NO songs in them in a lifetime.

All they can do is squawk and imitate. What's that model preset again? :confused:

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I'm sure they'll still have fun playing guitar and will entertain some people, but I'm not going to watch them do guitar karaoke unless mayhaps I'm trying to figure out a song and want to see how they played it to save time (I very rarely do this, I'd rather find my own way, even if "wrong").

Covers are an essential part of the musical journey, and help you discover things about yourself along the way, but by all means, please add something to it. A lot of people today think the "best" cover is the one that sounds most like the album, but I don't buy that at all. The best one to me is the one that finds new life in it somehow.

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