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BABMusic
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Well yeah, my old 5 watt Gorilla will sound like shit no matter what you do. But there are a lot of guys with great amps but they just don't know their potential.
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VonBonfire
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I've played a Gorilla. It's an exquisitely rich tone when compared to an Esteban.
CrystalSky
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Heard IRL? They kinda doom amps?
saxxamafone
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+1
Still good amps but I’d much rather a Headfirst at half the price. Plus they sound better in my experience
DanTravis62
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Looks like your overcompensating a bit there bud - they're going to mic you up anyways. No one's impressed with your vulgar penis extension amp. The crowd doesn't care, as they say. Can't tell the difference (Smug TGP face)
You know, at the gigs everyone "does" with massive, quality sound reinforcement and engineers all the time apparently?
So realistically all you need is one of these
Now that's a "grab and go" amplifier!
If you had a baja tele and a 5000$ schmidt array pedalboard with 6 strymons with this level of grab and go? You might be up there with Tag and Big Mike.
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VonBonfire
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Don't forget a PRS with a "brazzy" board. Tag knows tone, even if it's only at home.
DanTravis62
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Don't forget a PRS with a "brazzy" board. Tag knows tone, even if it's only at home.
He also knows fuck-all about actually playing the guitar, if you've ever heard him stumble through jazz standards - and "stumbling" is putting it nicely.
You wouldn't know that from the way he condescendingly talks about tone and music, but that's par for the course for Internet guitar players.
ESPECIALLY Internet jazz guitar players, who are on a level of getting high on their own farts that us mere mortals can only dream of
BeZo
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Yeah. I played in a band with a guy that has one, but he used it as a pedal platform. I thought whatever.
Then I saw the guitarist of the band 10,000 Rambos use one. He had a tuner, OCD, and a Gate in front, and he didn't use the OCD much. It riped. I kinda got mad that the other guy didn't use his amp for amp in the other band.
Kinda curious about the two channel amp he's working on. That Heavy Metal Warfare is legit.
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VonBonfire
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All that matters is he's a legend over at TGP.
CrystalSky
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Yeah I seen them and they looked curious. Not like I want anything except Mk2c+ or maybe even a 3 or 4, but still was interesting to learn about those, as they are not represented in youtube revier guys at all.
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nightlight
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Back to owning too much gear: can we put ballpark figures on that?
Like how many amps and cabs is too much? And how many guitars? Pedals?
I like to think of myself as a "not quite the collector" guitar hobbyist.
They're tools for a job. I mainly have superstrats with humbuckers, since they cover the most ground with different pups.
But sometimes a Tele has a place, for example in RATM, or on the cleans in Mastadon. Or a Gibson style ESP where that shorter scale length might give me the tone I'm looking for.
Amps and preamps and power amps - I'm not quite that Nielsen YTer. I have a few I've collected over the years. Just four full-fledged amps too.
Like how many amps and cabs is too much? And how many guitars? Pedals?
I like to think of myself as a "not quite the collector" guitar hobbyist.
They're tools for a job. I mainly have superstrats with humbuckers, since they cover the most ground with different pups.
But sometimes a Tele has a place, for example in RATM, or on the cleans in Mastadon. Or a Gibson style ESP where that shorter scale length might give me the tone I'm looking for.
Amps and preamps and power amps - I'm not quite that Nielsen YTer. I have a few I've collected over the years. Just four full-fledged amps too.
Alpha Stryke
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a] clip da britecap
b] jj tewbs R bAst
c] im in love w/ scammeron dick-licking
d] i bias my amps by ear
e] there is notthing else beside cookie monster rawk
b] jj tewbs R bAst
c] im in love w/ scammeron dick-licking
d] i bias my amps by ear
e] there is notthing else beside cookie monster rawk
TheGreatGreen
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Fuckin best post in the thread right here.
They might not be able to tell you specifically why the sound is great vs uninspiring, that they prefer when guitar players use Mesa or Marshall vs a Gorilla, but they can absolutely hear the difference between the AM Radio effect on the guitars at the start of the song vs when everything kicks in and slams everybody in the room.
Some rigs just sound like the AM radio effect never turns off. The audience can feel that.
DanTravis62
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It's probably a sliding scale with a few different variables: your skill level, how much you use the gear, and how much gear you own.
For example, if you are a beginner level player, but youre retired or not working and spending every second of every day woodshedding and practicing and working on your skills, i get it if you have a lot of gear. You could have a ridiculous amount of gear and it wouldn't matter, because you're using that shit every second of every day. That seems to pass the smell test and doesn't rub people the wrong way
similarly, if you are an expert or professional level player, it seems to always pass the smell test for having a lot of gear - obviously it's something that you've dedicated your life to, so it checks out
Because of those examples, to me it seems there's no way to get ballpark figures because it depends on the other variables
BABMusic
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There's really no such thing as owning too much if you're someone like David Gilmour. He sold off a lot of his guitars, but he used a ton of them in his earlier years and each one had a purpose. If you're struggling to pay your mortgage and you have 17 Soldano amps, that's a little bit different.
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VonBonfire
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My only income the past few years has been music related stuff therefore it follows that I barely have any gear and what gear I do have that doesn't earn me any money gigging is for sale so I can pay bills.
stephen sawall
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Finally a top notch amp with my name. This changes everything.
I use a different rig every time I play. I started doing this years ago. I still dial in the same few sounds regardless of the rig since 1981.
About 15 years ago I started comparing a lot of rigs with recording. Guess what ? They all just sound like me regardless of the rig.
Having said that I definitely still have my preferences.
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Hack
I absolutely love all the shit talking and hurt feelings in this thread.
I think a lot of guys here are correct, if not completely all encompassing.
A great guitarist can make any gear work. He shouldn't have to
A shitty guitarist will benefit more from practice than gear. He shouldn't have to play shitty gear just because he is bad, and will probably play more with good gear
Some of us, like myself, are pretty shitty guitarists for how long we have been doing it, but we love playing guitar with our shitty skills through our gear that we definitely dont justify skillwise.
I think tonewise, if we are getting good tone, we are still qualified to speak to tone. We aren't getting it by accident.
I am pretty sure I am correct about everything above, but if not, I welcome a debate.
As far as the other stuff, it is important for a lot of people to get great tone without pedals or post eq, whatever, and that is fine.
I personally would never use post eq for gear demonstration because it feels odd. I would try to get the most raw recording I could and just note if using a boost, etc.
I think a lot of guys here are correct, if not completely all encompassing.
A great guitarist can make any gear work. He shouldn't have to
A shitty guitarist will benefit more from practice than gear. He shouldn't have to play shitty gear just because he is bad, and will probably play more with good gear
Some of us, like myself, are pretty shitty guitarists for how long we have been doing it, but we love playing guitar with our shitty skills through our gear that we definitely dont justify skillwise.
I think tonewise, if we are getting good tone, we are still qualified to speak to tone. We aren't getting it by accident.
I am pretty sure I am correct about everything above, but if not, I welcome a debate.
As far as the other stuff, it is important for a lot of people to get great tone without pedals or post eq, whatever, and that is fine.
I personally would never use post eq for gear demonstration because it feels odd. I would try to get the most raw recording I could and just note if using a boost, etc.
Omnipotent1
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Depends on the square footage of your home.. 15%-20% is ideal for hobbyist.. Gigging musicians are allowed up to 90% of their real estate…
Well said. Starting with good sound before introducing any processing helped my electronic compositions tremendously. Same steps should be taken in the analog world. Don’t try to polish a turd… Just because myth busters can do it doesn’t mean we should. Don’t foresee debaters as you have a tendency to break you first on dudes faces…
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