Creamback 75's

[PurityS.L.G]

Awesome speakers and pair amazing with V30's. I used to like the M65's more but when I compared them head to head in a Mesa OS with another Mesa OS loaded with the H75's, I preferred the clarity and cut of the H's. With all of that said, I still prefer GB's over both.

 

[braintheory]

The bit about puzzle pieces makes sense. Everyone has an "ideal" sound in their head they're trying to make happen with gear.

And every piece of the puzzle matters. I'm sure I could make h75s sound okay too, if I switched a bunch of things around, but it wouldn't be closer to my personal "ideal" if that makes sense.

Agreed. Especially, for what you do I'd think it would probably be more trouble than it's worth with H75's. Those V30's you got I see as being a very solid fit for your stuff, although I have a feeling if I tinkered around enough with maybe some combo of JBL's, pre-rola's 20w GB's or the early V30's (using just a combo of 2 of those 3 of course) an optimal result can maybe be achieved. I will say if you have the means to get them at some point, I think an amp as good as your Larry deserves to try them, but until I try a Larry actually I can't really say with too much confidence, just an educated guess for now

 

[thegame]

Don't forget both the M65 and H75 were voiced for more low end and higher power handling in relation to the GB and H30. The objective was to get closer to a "half stack experience" for 1x12 and 2x12 users.

 

[braintheory]

Don't forget both the M65 and H75 were voiced for more low end and higher power handling in relation to the GB and H30. The objective was to get closer to a "half stack experience" for 1x12 and 2x12 users.

I agree, I think they're pretty successful in that regard (I actually have a 212 with M65's, but haven't touched it in years now lol), but I would say the vented T75's are better to me for that, and I'm guessing that 80 watt one you praised (haven't tried it) and maybe the right version vintage 65's. I like also the '80's K85's, but they're imo more specific in what they can do well

 

[thegame]

I agree, I think it's pretty successful in that regard (I actually have a 212 with M65's, but haven't touched it in years now lol), but I would say the vented T75's are better to me for that, and I'm guessing that 80 watt one you praised (haven't tried it) and maybe the right version vintage 65's. I like also the '80's K85's, but they're imo more specific in what they can do well

Yeah, that Rola G12-80 w/444 cone has tons of mids. And I mean the mid-mids. No notches in the lower or upper mids but it definitely peaks in the mid-mids. You'd like it for sure.

 

[braintheory]

Yeah, that Rola G12-80 w/444 cone has tons of mids. And I mean the mid-mids. No notches in the lower or upper mids but it definitely peaks in the mid-mids. You'd like it for sure.

Yes, I never heard of it till you. Will have to keep an eye out for them. These are the kinds of things that are very tough to figure out outside forums like here

 

[Racerxrated]

Yeah, that Rola G12-80 w/444 cone has tons of mids. And I mean the mid-mids. No notches in the lower or upper mids but it definitely peaks in the mid-mids. You'd like it for sure.

I know that you aren't a fan of the 65s, at least the reissues but the G12 80 444 is scooped compared to the T3120 cone G12 65. The 3120 Marshall label 65s sound different than the reissues. Not night and day, but still different. When I play my 72 through the 65s and 72 cab with 1221 M25s the 65s just sound like a giant version of the Pulsonic cab...at volume of course.

 

[ZEN Amps]

I think they're great for recording but I wouldn't want a cab full of them. They're fairly bright and lack some of that M midrange as mentioned.

Mixed with V30's and you've got yourself a pretty bright, aggressive cab that will really cut. For less upper mids and high end they'd be great down the bottom with a pair of smoother speakers up top - M's of any variety, G12 65, Fane F70 etc.

Changing the subject a bit - do you guys ever call a 4x12 a quad box.... or quaddy? Wondering if it's just an Aussie thing.

 

[Kidkramer71]

I have them paired with v30's in 2 different 2x12 cabs.
I absolutely love them .
For the record I have 8 4x12 cabs 4 2x12 cabs and 1 1x12 cab.
They all have different speakers , the only pair the same are the cream back v30 combo in the 2 2x12 cabs.
I guess it's all preference?
I have never tried them not mixed?
Mixed with the v30 I'm a big fan

 

[braintheory]

I think they're great for recording but I wouldn't want a cab full of them. They're fairly bright and lack some of that M midrange as mentioned.

Mixed with V30's and you've got yourself a pretty bright, aggressive cab that will really cut. For less upper mids and high end they'd be great down the bottom with a pair of smoother speakers up top - M's of any variety, G12 65, Fane F70 etc.

Changing the subject a bit - do you guys ever call a 4x12 a quad box.... or quaddy? Wondering if it's just an Aussie thing.

Lol never heard that one before, but I like it. I'm guessing it probably is an Aussie thing

 

[braintheory]

I know that you aren't a fan of the 65s, at least the reissues but the G12 80 444 is scooped compared to the T3120 cone G12 65. The 3120 Marshall label 65s sound different than the reissues. Not night and day, but still different. When I play my 72 through the 65s and 72 cab with 1221 M25s the 65s just sound like a giant version of the Pulsonic cab...at volume of course.

Yeah the reissues (only 65's I've tried, not counting M65 Creambacks of course) I found muffled and dark sounding even when very loud. They didn't seem much like my pre-rola M25, although they were I remember pretty midrange-y, but maybe the vintage ones are better. I remember though even my vented T75's leaning more dark, but they were more like a bigger version of my M25's than the reissue 65's I had, but still not as good overall tone or feel imo when AB'ed directly in isolation, just bigger sounding. Now if we had a giant sounding version of blues or M20's that would really intrigue me!

 

[Bxlxaxkxe]

Wow lots of awesome feedback. Went ahead and pulled the trigger on the cab. It's a 2x12 loaded with two H75 Creambacks. Have a feeling I will end up throwing in one V30 and calling it a day, but we will see. Hoping it will be an awesome, portable little gig mobile.

 

[PDC]

Certain speakers are more prone to tonal changes during break-in, and the Creambacks certainly fall in that category. Buy a pair (or quad) of the 65s or 75s brand new out of the box and many find themselves ditching them before they are properly broken in for all the tonal descriptions in this thread: flat, thin, boxy, etc. Plug into a cab of well broken-in Creambacks and that’s how Celestion continues to sell Creambacks. Once broken in, the 75 is definitely the smoother, more modern sounding of the two, where the 65 definitely has more of the vintage vibe and bigger midrange going on. I have found that a well broken in 75 offers quite a bit of what people who like VIntage 30s like about Vintage 30s - they seem to share quite a bit of the same sonic real estate - smoother overdrive, more scooped mids, more top end, more ‘modern’ sounding. While mixing the 75 with the V30 can sound good - I personally heard a bigger difference and a bigger ‘compliment’ when pairing the 65 with the V30. Where a pair of 65s can be a bit mid / low mid heavy and a bit raspy on top, the V30 adds some smoothness, doesn’t fight for the same sonic mid-range territory, and adds some sparkle that many find the 65 lacks. I have a 65/V30 pair in a ported 2x12 and dam that cab sounds nice with any amp in my collection.

 

[TGA3]

One of the best references for the 75's are Zach Wish's videos. I don't think I've ever heard him get a bad sound out of them. Probably some of the best isolated guitar tones I've heard, with that Suhr 2x12 of his.

I tried a bunch of different combos in my 4x12's, always ended up with V30's on top and 75's on bottom.

 

[Mikeyboyeee]

Certain speakers are more prone to tonal changes during break-in, and the Creambacks certainly fall in that category. Buy a pair (or quad) of the 65s or 75s brand new out of the box and many find themselves ditching them before they are properly broken in for all the tonal descriptions in this thread: flat, thin, boxy, etc. Plug into a cab of well broken-in Creambacks and that’s how Celestion continues to tell Creambacks. Once broken in, the 75 is definitely the smoother, more modern sounding of the two, where the 65 definitely has more of the vintage vibe and bigger midrange going on. I have found that a well broken in 75 offers quite a bit of what people who like VIntage 30s like about Vintage 30s - they seem to share quite a bit of the same sonic real estate - smoother overdrive, more scooped mids, more top end, more ‘modern’ sounding. While mixing the 75 with the V30 can sound good - I personally heard a bigger difference and a bigger ‘compliment’ when pairing the 65 with the V30. Where a pair of 65s can be a bit mid / low mid heavy and a bit raspy on top, the V30 adds some smoothness, doesn’t fight for the same sonic mid-range territory, and adds some sparkle that many find the 65 lacks. I have a 65/V30 pair in a ported 2x12 and dam that cab sounds nice with any amp in my collection.

Running M65 creambacks up top and V30s bottom in my Splawn 4x12.

 

[glpg80]

Y’all are making me second guess trying them out with Splawn small blocks.

I might instead go with T75s X SBs

 

[DistortED]

One of my favorite speakers, really dig the sizzle. I have them mixed with some Alnico CB and they just compliment each other really well IMHO.