Dave Grohl hits the nail on the head

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His point is quite a bit skewed though....if you think that shows like American Idol, the Voice, Xfactor are hurting music I think you are wrong....I think the fact that you have a show that is showing that if you can truly sing you can still be successful...its all unknown artists that are finding success...granted they arent singing music I typically enjoy but if you think the contestants havent been singing their asses off well before getting on the show (or at least 90 percent of them) I think you are mistaken....especially The Voice...it uses a KILLER Band, the one from Rockstar INXS and Supernova...2 shows which I am sure DG would down talk also but was nothing but working musicians trying it make it big. Anything on mainstream television that is based on music really isnt hurting music....what is hurting music is the fact that when I take my kids to see Heart and Jason Bonham Led Zeppelin Experience and buy lawn tickets and we get there and are given premium seats because they didnt sell enough tickets to even fill the seats, let alone the lawn....but if you try to get a ticket to see Miley Cyrus shaking her ass wearing shorts so tight it gives new meaning to "lip syncing" its standing room only for 3 counties....

As a father of 4 teenage daughters I can tell you I would rather my kid be watching these Pop music shows on TV than ANYTHING on MTV at the moment....they do interviews of the contestants where they talk about how much hard work they have had to do to get to the point they are at in life right now....and its something I can point to and say..."See, its not just something that gets handed to you on a silver platter, ANY type of success at ALL comes from some type of hard work...you HAVE to do the time before anything else good can happen..."

THe dumbing down of music is our fault as parents more than anything else....introduce your kids to good music and they will appreciate it....

The mere fact that musicians today have access to be able to record and create such stellar music yet there is very little in way of cutting edge making its way to the mainstream is just bewildering to me....imagine if jimi Hendrix or SRV had access to modeling amps, recording software, or the tons and tons of gear and all the stuff available today to be able to get their music out there....the 60's, 70's, and 80's would have been COMPLETELY different (and so would Dave Grohl and Nirvana I would bet)...I just cant begin to imagine....
 
RedRider":9prqwnna said:
His point is quite a bit skewed though....if you think that shows like American Idol, the Voice, Xfactor are hurting music I think you are wrong....I think the fact that you have a show that is showing that if you can truly sing you can still be successful...its all unknown artists that are finding success...granted they arent singing music I typically enjoy but if you think the contestants havent been singing their asses off well before getting on the show (or at least 90 percent of them) I think you are mistaken....especially The Voice...it uses a KILLER Band, the one from Rockstar INXS and Supernova...2 shows which I am sure DG would down talk also but was nothing but working musicians trying it make it big. Anything on mainstream television that is based on music really isnt hurting music....what is hurting music is the fact that when I take my kids to see Heart and Jason Bonham Led Zeppelin Experience and buy lawn tickets and we get there and are given premium seats because they didnt sell enough tickets to even fill the seats, let alone the lawn....but if you try to get a ticket to see Miley Cyrus shaking her ass wearing shorts so tight it gives new meaning to "lip syncing" its standing room only for 3 counties....

As a father of 4 teenage daughters I can tell you I would rather my kid be watching these Pop music shows on TV than ANYTHING on MTV at the moment....they do interviews of the contestants where they talk about how much hard work they have had to do to get to the point they are at in life right now....and its something I can point to and say..."See, its not just something that gets handed to you on a silver platter, ANY type of success at ALL comes from some type of hard work...you HAVE to do the time before anything else good can happen..."

THe dumbing down of music is our fault as parents more than anything else....introduce your kids to good music and they will appreciate it....

The mere fact that musicians today have access to be able to record and create such stellar music yet there is very little in way of cutting edge making its way to the mainstream is just bewildering to me....imagine if jimi Hendrix or SRV had access to modeling amps, recording software, or the tons and tons of gear and all the stuff available today to be able to get their music out there....the 60's, 70's, and 80's would have been COMPLETELY different (and so would Dave Grohl and Nirvana I would bet)...I just cant begin to imagine....


I'd more or less agree. Though I would say, if Jimi Hendrix or even Nirvana were around today with all these modellers, I doubt they'd have been heard of outside of their extremely local scene. There is absolutely no foothold for most local bands these days due to online piracy.
 
I believe this is from his Podcast on Marc Maron's WTF. Excellent listen.
 
satannica":30wqd75m said:
RedRider":30wqd75m said:
His point is quite a bit skewed though....if you think that shows like American Idol, the Voice, Xfactor are hurting music I think you are wrong....I think the fact that you have a show that is showing that if you can truly sing you can still be successful...its all unknown artists that are finding success...granted they arent singing music I typically enjoy but if you think the contestants havent been singing their asses off well before getting on the show (or at least 90 percent of them) I think you are mistaken....especially The Voice...it uses a KILLER Band, the one from Rockstar INXS and Supernova...2 shows which I am sure DG would down talk also but was nothing but working musicians trying it make it big. Anything on mainstream television that is based on music really isnt hurting music....what is hurting music is the fact that when I take my kids to see Heart and Jason Bonham Led Zeppelin Experience and buy lawn tickets and we get there and are given premium seats because they didnt sell enough tickets to even fill the seats, let alone the lawn....but if you try to get a ticket to see Miley Cyrus shaking her ass wearing shorts so tight it gives new meaning to "lip syncing" its standing room only for 3 counties....

As a father of 4 teenage daughters I can tell you I would rather my kid be watching these Pop music shows on TV than ANYTHING on MTV at the moment....they do interviews of the contestants where they talk about how much hard work they have had to do to get to the point they are at in life right now....and its something I can point to and say..."See, its not just something that gets handed to you on a silver platter, ANY type of success at ALL comes from some type of hard work...you HAVE to do the time before anything else good can happen..."

THe dumbing down of music is our fault as parents more than anything else....introduce your kids to good music and they will appreciate it....

The mere fact that musicians today have access to be able to record and create such stellar music yet there is very little in way of cutting edge making its way to the mainstream is just bewildering to me....imagine if jimi Hendrix or SRV had access to modeling amps, recording software, or the tons and tons of gear and all the stuff available today to be able to get their music out there....the 60's, 70's, and 80's would have been COMPLETELY different (and so would Dave Grohl and Nirvana I would bet)...I just cant begin to imagine....


I'd more or less agree. Though I would say, if Jimi Hendrix or even Nirvana were around today with all these modellers, I doubt they'd have been heard of outside of their extremely local scene. There is absolutely no foothold for most local bands these days due to online piracy.




Agreed, Bill Gates ruined music not Simon!!
 
One thing missing in this discussion is ORIGINALITY! Of all these talent shows do any promote original material? If the song performed is written by the singer their score should automatically increase. This is the problem today, no one is writing new stuff!
 
Tone Monster":21jegjkn said:
Also, it helps to NOT suck.

How many pop artists make an obscene amount of money despite the fact that they use autotune and don't sing live? That is the fear of sucking that limits a musician from doing something great.
 
p4vl":2t49ytw4 said:
Tone Monster":2t49ytw4 said:
Also, it helps to NOT suck.

How many pop artists make an obscene amount of money despite the fact that they use autotune and don't sing live? That is the fear of sucking that limits a musician from doing something great.
I think it's the fear of sucking that aids in making a musician better, at least as a technician.
 
MississippiMetal":3al29cop said:
Grunge was the last great musical movement. All great modern music was born of a cultural/political revolution.
These days culture is derivative and watered down. There is no movement to inspire great music. No one believes strongly enough in anything, and no one is pissed off enough about anything to bang it out in a song. They're too busy writing house music about dancing and fucking.


This is because music as the voice of revolution is gone -the new revolutions stage is the interwebz and iphones are the instruments -much to Billy Corgan's chagrin. Ahh the days of musics romantic inefficiency, it only seems like yesterday..
 
But its really strange that this happens in our age.I meam we have so many things that we didnt have back then like the internet!.We can find any music and comparte it,listen,share opinions.We can find tons of usefull stuff to learn music or gear related stuff.Yet the music is going down.Its a paradox :doh:
Now about all those shows the problem is that its focused most of the time in the singing rather than music.Also shows are oriented to specific styles.If i go to one of those shows with a band and paly opeth judges are gonna be like: dafuk is dis voice?Or this is just noise,and they will make a fool out of you.Then this gonna be shown on the telievision and kids gonna be like...hahaha this sucks!On the other hand if i go all pop mode judges gonna say WoW great even if my voice is out of tune.Then kids will be like:this is so amazing -.-
I dont wanna live on this planet any more :cry:
And one more thing:its NOT the singing that counts.Its excatly the same with the guitar.If i play malmsteen at 200% speed does that make me any good guitarist?Maybe yes but not a good musician.Singing is not treated like than at all.You can have a "great voice" adn crappy music,still people gonna buy that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Gs4xGw1Eg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijr4rwb2WbE

Those videos describe that really precisely

And also this :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I
 
Everyone should go watch Sound City again. It makes you really miss an era of music that'll likely never happen again. At least, not for a long while.
 
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