Dealing with delusional/unreasonable sellers...

[napalmdeath]

So, I'm looking for a specific guitar, (a Dean Hardtail, or Soltero in a couple specific finishes), and there's a handful of them around, but the prices are ridiculous. What's really puzzling is, those sellers have had them listed 6 months, a year, or even two years, with ZERO offers, and ZERO drops in price! WTF? And, some of those, are priced $200-$300 more than what they were new! And these are imports. Not "rare", not "collector" pieces, and not "vintage" pieces. Jesus. People are high on drugs.

What's really funny is, the ones that have sold on Ebay have sold for , in some most cases, for 1/2 what people are asking.

Example.. Listed over A YEAR. They were $649 new, and typically get $400 or less.. https://reverb.com/item/5016488-dean-so ... mber-burst

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

Unfortunately there is an ass for every seat or ....I guess that's the way sellers think!

Trying to not buy your JSX!!

 

[napalmdeath]

Unfortunately there is an ass for every seat or ....I guess that's the way sellers think!

Trying to not buy your JSX!!

Hah. I think my price is reasonable on that! I pulled it from Reverb. 21 "watchers", not one offer, (listed at $399, lowest price, and cleanest of only 3 on there). Practically give shit away and they "watch". I don't care, I'm fine keeping it.

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

Unfortunately there is an ass for every seat or ....I guess that's the way sellers think!

Trying to not buy your JSX!!

Hah. I think my price is reasonable on that! I pulled it from Reverb. 21 "watchers", not one offer, (listed at $399, lowest price, and cleanest of only 3 on there). Practically give shit away and they "watch". I don't care, I'm fine keeping it.

still might have to tip

 

[longfxukxnhair]

I tried to by a LP on Reverb that has been sitting there (and in store) for 2 yrs. Current sold ebay listings on that exact model had it around $600 cheaper than what they were asking. I offered $400 less than their asking price (+$200 more than recent sold) and they wouldnt budge. I told them they can keep it for another 2 yrs

 

[mooncobra]

I tried to by a LP on Reverb that has been sitting there (and in store) for 2 yrs. Current sold ebay listings on that exact model had it around $600 cheaper than what they were asking. I offered $400 less than their asking price (+$200 more than recent sold) and they wouldnt budge. I told them they can keep it for another 2 yrs

that's ridiculous.

 

[napalmdeath]

I tried to by a LP on Reverb that has been sitting there (and in store) for 2 yrs. Current sold ebay listings on that exact model had it around $600 cheaper than what they were asking. I offered $400 less than their asking price (+$200 more than recent sold) and they wouldnt budge. I told them they can keep it for another 2 yrs

that's ridiculous.

Yeah, I made an offer on a Dean that has been on Reverb 2 years. He countered with a price that was still $100 more than it was new. My offer was $100 more than what they had been selling for, and it had no case.

 

[GOHOINC]

The horror, money to burn and no one will take it. If that is what you want you should be willing to wait until you find one at a price you want to pay without bitching. Free market rules apply, you dont have to buy anything for a price you dont want to pay, no one has to sell you something for less than they want for it. Doesn't matter what anyone else sold or bought them for.

 

[splatter]

Some people have it in their mind that what they have is worth more than what you have.

I run into this on trades. Say i have something listed for $1000 and trade value at $1200 Then after a couple of price drops I have it listed for $900. Someone always wants to trade and only give me $900 trade value fro mine but their trade value is through the roof

 

[rstites]

So, I'm looking for a specific guitar, (a Dean Hardtail, or Soltero in a couple specific finishes), and there's a handful of them around, but the prices are ridiculous. What's really puzzling is, those sellers have had them listed 6 months, a year, or even two years, with ZERO offers, and ZERO drops in price! WTF? And, some of those, are priced $200-$300 more than what they were new! And these are imports. Not "rare", not "collector" pieces, and not "vintage" pieces. Jesus. People are high on drugs.

What's really funny is, the ones that have sold on Ebay have sold for , in some most cases, for 1/2 what people are asking.

Example.. Listed over A YEAR. They were $649 new, and typically get $400 or less.. https://reverb.com/item/5016488-dean-so ... mber-burst

Lots of individuals probably just list things and are willing to sell if they get that price, but aren't that motivated otherwise. Back when I had an excess of guitars and amps I sold a bunch of them on the Harmony-Central market (like 20 years ago!) that way. I'd list them every couple of months for what I'd need to get motivated enough to ship them. Over time, I managed to sell off a half dozen guitars, a dozen or so amps, an overload of Marshall 4x12s all for more $ than market. The key is that I wasn't in any hurry. I was just done with them and didn't need them. I had space for them and could sit until I got my price.

I do feel your pain though. I've seen several guitars over the last year that I'd like to own and would for the right price, but the sellers are so far beyond "right" or even "reasonable" IMO that I don't even bother talking to them.

 

[longfxukxnhair]

It boils down to the item's value to the seller versus its value to the buyer, which is purely subjective/relative. It sucks when a seller insists on more than an item is worth to me, but that's just how it is. Same thing if I'm selling something and can't find a buyer who's willing to pay what I think the item is worth. You can cite what similar items had sold for all day, but it still comes down to what the present buyer and seller think this item is worth to them. It can be frustrating, but there's nothing really unfair about a seller not wanting to accept less or a buyer not wanting to pay more than the item is worth to them.

I also don't understand why sellers list items for years that have little hope of selling, but that's for them to worry about.

Point taken when its a private seller.

In my case, its an item on Reverb being sold by Sam Ash.
As we all know, when you sell your used gear to Sam Ash and GC, they use Ebays sold items as a measuring stick when they make an offer to you. That offer is usually 30%-50% of average selling price. And I have no problem with that. Its not a decision I would make to sell to them.

But in this case they want to disregard the very system that they use for placing value. I offered $200 more than what would be considered fair market price by their standards......I also pointed this out to them. I felt my offer was more than fair. They didnt agree. They insist that the consumer over pay for their item. It sat there for 2 years and it can sit there for another 2 yrs for all I care.

 

[napalmdeath]

The horror, money to burn and no one will take it. If that is what you want you should be willing to wait until you find one at a price you want to pay without bitching. Free market rules apply, you dont have to buy anything for a price you dont want to pay, no one has to sell you something for less than they want for it. Doesn't matter what anyone else sold or bought them for.

You're a douche. There, I have an opinion too. Don't have to like it, either.

 

[GOHOINC]

The horror, money to burn and no one will take it. If that is what you want you should be willing to wait until you find one at a price you want to pay without bitching. Free market rules apply, you dont have to buy anything for a price you dont want to pay, no one has to sell you something for less than they want for it. Doesn't matter what anyone else sold or bought them for.

You're a douche. There, I have an opinion too. Don't have to like it, either.

That's about what I expected. Disappointed, not surprised. Wasn't trying and don't think I did attack you or call you names. But I certainly will and did have a little fun, which I do with anyone who enjoys the benefits of a free market but then complains about the general concept of a free market when they don't get what they want. Good luck with your gear search.

Regards,
A. Douche

 

[Deleted member 13074]

Some people have it in their ind that what they have is worth more than what you have.

I run into this on trades. Say i have something listed for $1000 and trade value at $1200

This needs explaining as it’s very different to how I operate.
If I’m selling for $X, then my trade value is...$X as I’m trading for an item that is also used - it’s a level playing field. How does the trade value rise 20% over the sale value?

In a comparable example, I’m selling a car for $1000, and then take it to a dealer to trade it against a new model. The trade-in value is then much less than my market value as the dealer has to then sell it on afterwards.
To bring that into this situation, you trade your $1000 item against something else, but for $1200, so the buyer at the other end has overpaid by 20% and is then in negative equity on your item. As they are trading an item too, then their trade value also rises by 20%, surely? It looks like the 20% is simply there so that one side's needs over-rule those of the other. They really want the trade more, so you expect a premium, but why would you trade for something you don’t want? You appear to be acting like the car dealer and want to sell the traded item on for a profit in order to pay for your time. However, you are inflating your item's value, which is not how the dealer, or the market, works. To be the same, you would have to reduce the trade-in value of the buyer's item, rather than inflate the price of yours.
Not that I agree with either tactic. I’m simply trying to make sense of it.

 

[Emg77]

Some people have it in their ind that what they have is worth more than what you have.

I run into this on trades. Say i have something listed for $1000 and trade value at $1200

This needs explaining as it’s very different to how I operate.
If I’m selling for $X, then my trade value is...$X as I’m trading for an item that is also used - it’s a level playing field. How does the trade value rise 20% over the sale value?

In a comparable example, I’m selling a car for $1000, and then take it to a dealer to trade it against a new model. The trade-in value is then much less than my market value as the dealer has to then sell it on afterwards.
To bring that into this situation, you trade your $1000 item against something else, but for $1200, so the buyer at the other end has overpaid by 20% and is then in negative equity on your item. As they are trading an item too, then their trade value also rises by 20%, surely? It looks like the 20% is simply there so that one side's needs over-rule those of the other. They really want the trade more, so you expect a premium, but why would you trade for something you don’t want? You appear to be acting like the car dealer and want to sell the traded item on for a profit in order to pay for your time. However, you are inflating your item's value, which is not how the dealer, or the market, works. To be the same, you would have to reduce the trade-in value of the buyer's item, rather than inflate the price of yours.
Not that I agree with either tactic. I’m simply trying to make sense of it.

I believe the reasoning behind this approach, at least for me, is, getting cash for gear these days is pretty uncommon. So, to make the cash look more appealing than that of a trade. Most deals I do these days are trades. The cash value is marked lower than the actual trade value. So, the trades should be apples to apples.

 

[napalmdeath]

The horror, money to burn and no one will take it. If that is what you want you should be willing to wait until you find one at a price you want to pay without bitching. Free market rules apply, you dont have to buy anything for a price you dont want to pay, no one has to sell you something for less than they want for it. Doesn't matter what anyone else sold or bought them for.

You're a douche. There, I have an opinion too. Don't have to like it, either.

That's about what I expected. Disappointed, not surprised. Wasn't trying and don't think I did attack you or call you names. But I certainly will and did have a little fun, which I do with anyone who enjoys the benefits of a free market but then complains about the general concept of a free market when they don't get what they want. Good luck with your gear search.

Regards,
A. Douche

Thanks.
A. Hemorrhoid.

 

[rstites]

Some people have it in their ind that what they have is worth more than what you have.

I run into this on trades. Say i have something listed for $1000 and trade value at $1200

This needs explaining as it’s very different to how I operate.
If I’m selling for $X, then my trade value is...$X as I’m trading for an item that is also used - it’s a level playing field. How does the trade value rise 20% over the sale value?

If I'm selling something for $1000, I want $1000 for it. If you want to trade, you have to give me incentive to take something I think I can flip for that $1000 easier than what I'm current selling. The whole goal of selling is to get rid of something in exchange for cash. If I take a trade, then I still have something and don't have cash, so I damn well better be getting more value in exchange than if I was selling. If I'm not, then I might as well continue trying to sell.

Sure, if the stars all aligned, it's entirely possible you might have an item that I like enough to do a straight swap. That's only happened two times in my 30+ years of playing though. Otherwise, it's always someone wanting what I have that doesn't want to pay the $ for it (or can't) and has stuff I'm just going to turn around and list.

 

[mooncobra]

Some people have it in their ind that what they have is worth more than what you have.

I run into this on trades. Say i have something listed for $1000 and trade value at $1200 Then after a couple of price drops I have it listed for $900. Someone always wants to trade and only give me $900 trade value fro mine but their trade value is through the roof

oh, there is a guy on here who pulls that. no matter what you have, your trade value is low, and his is high, for instance, I had a guitar that I was selling for 1800, a Les Paul Standard, mint, he tried to say the trade value was 1500, and sale price should be 1250. Anyhow, we ended up doing a trade, met in the middle, next thing I know, he is selling the guitar for $2500 the day he got it from me in the mail. I just avoid this dude now. There are a couple others but not to the extent of this guy. yeah, yeah, I know, people can charge what they want, but its irritating when they literally try every trick in the book to get you to go low insisting that your guitar is worth a fraction of what you believe it to be, then you see them selling it for WAY MORE than I listed for in the first place.

 

[napalmdeath]

Some people have it in their ind that what they have is worth more than what you have.

I run into this on trades. Say i have something listed for $1000 and trade value at $1200 Then after a couple of price drops I have it listed for $900. Someone always wants to trade and only give me $900 trade value fro mine but their trade value is through the roof

oh, there is a guy on here who pulls that. no matter what you have, your trade value is low, and his is high, for instance, I had a guitar that I was selling for 1800, a Les Paul Standard, mint, he tried to say the trade value was 1500, and sale price should be 1250. Anyhow, we ended up doing a trade, met in the middle, next thing I know, he is selling the guitar for $2500 the day he got it from me in the mail. I just avoid this dude now. There are a couple others but not to the extent of this guy. yeah, yeah, I know, people can charge what they want, but its irritating when they literally try every trick in the book to get you to go low insisting that your guitar is worth a fraction of what you believe it to be, then you see them selling it for WAY MORE than I listed for in the first place.

I never have flipping in mind. If I sell it, I normally take a loss if I have to, and be done with it. Buying stuff just to flip is unproductive. I play my stuff! Trying to make a buck is more important than playing to some, I guess.

 

[longfxukxnhair]

Some people have it in their ind that what they have is worth more than what you have.

I run into this on trades. Say i have something listed for $1000 and trade value at $1200 Then after a couple of price drops I have it listed for $900. Someone always wants to trade and only give me $900 trade value fro mine but their trade value is through the roof

oh, there is a guy on here who pulls that. no matter what you have, your trade value is low, and his is high, for instance, I had a guitar that I was selling for 1800, a Les Paul Standard, mint, he tried to say the trade value was 1500, and sale price should be 1250. Anyhow, we ended up doing a trade, met in the middle, next thing I know, he is selling the guitar for $2500 the day he got it from me in the mail. I just avoid this dude now. There are a couple others but not to the extent of this guy. yeah, yeah, I know, people can charge what they want, but its irritating when they literally try every trick in the book to get you to go low insisting that your guitar is worth a fraction of what you believe it to be, then you see them selling it for WAY MORE than I listed for in the first place.

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